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ProfessorGAC

(77,588 posts)
30. I'm Highly Suspicious Of That Report
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 02:12 PM
Feb 2023

I have seen a LOT of railcars transporting hazardous materials. I have never seen a refrigerated tank car. Not once.
Where would the power to run refrigeration come from?
Volatles like VC are shipped under pressure. For VC, the pressure needed to liquefy is only around 45psig. Tank cars designed for pressure service easily handle that.
It's a liquid in the car, with no cooling needed. Even ammonia isn't shipped refrigerated & it has a MUCH higher vapor pressure. (About 120psig at room temperature. )
So, I am dubious that the reports of refrigeration are accurate.
As to why it's not used in situ: it's not really practical from a financial standpoint. The monomer process is capital intensive, so to make it viable, the manufacturing sites have to be huge. If every PVC maker had their own monster plant, the scale-down cost would be immense.
Then, making all the polymer in one place would make for massive facilities with massive multimodal transportation hubs taking up huge amounts of real estate.
That's true of ALL hazardous substances. If everything were consolidated like that, who would want to live there?
You would like a solution to avoid things like this? So would I.
I think the solution is tighter regulation of the carriers so they can't simply ignore needed upgrades & repairs because they're inconvenient. Millions of tons of hazardous goods are moved and safely. The cause here seems more slovenly maintenance & disregard for safety than any inherently uncontrollable risk.
BTW: there are goods even more hazardous than VC and we've heard little about incidents like this one.
Make disregard for safe handling & care a crime, then prosecute violators. That will greatly reduce the risk of recurrence. Jail time & a ruined life would go a long way to dissuade people from only thinking about the next quarter's earnings report.

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A lot of Conspiracy Theory in the replies. Included folks claiming the "media" didn't cover it emulatorloo Feb 2023 #1
Correct. I put it on DU within an hour of it occurring. John1956PA Feb 2023 #4
... Faux pas Feb 2023 #2
Here's a great DU thread that merits a read Brother Buzz Feb 2023 #3
There has been a paucity of coverage gratuitous Feb 2023 #5
I've been unable to find a statement by President Biden on this incident liberal_mama Feb 2023 #6
DeWine has visited a couple of times. Diamond_Dog Feb 2023 #7
I don't understand why they aren't making a bigger deal of this liberal_mama Feb 2023 #8
I live just over ten miles due east of the site. John1956PA Feb 2023 #9
Yeah, just burn a bunch of toxic waste and don't bother evacuating people. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2023 #10
There was an evacuation order for residents in the one-mile radius of the derailment. John1956PA Feb 2023 #11
Vinyl chloride smoke is going to be dangerous for more than a 1 mile radius. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2023 #14
My brother lives in farm country 2.5 mile due east of the derailment site. John1956PA Feb 2023 #15
The Biggest Danger... ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #12
Leave it to P-GAC to drop the fact bombs... WarGamer Feb 2023 #13
Thanks but I don't understand the burning without scrubbers part. Disaffected Feb 2023 #16
I think vinyl chloride is a gas at ambient temperatures. John1956PA Feb 2023 #18
Ahh yes, might explain why it was ignited rather than collected and moved off. Disaffected Feb 2023 #19
There might be portable scrubbers which consist mostly of fire hoses spraying a mist of water. n/t John1956PA Feb 2023 #20
There Are Actually Portable Scrubber Systems ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #25
There Are Flatbed Scrubbers ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #21
OK but if the stuff is still contained within the tank cars, Disaffected Feb 2023 #27
I'm Highly Suspicious Of That Report ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #30
I've never seen one either but Disaffected Feb 2023 #31
Not Accurate ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #32
I'm not sure what you are referring to as Disaffected Feb 2023 #33
I'm Done ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #34
You misunderstand my intentions. Disaffected Feb 2023 #35
I'm sorry for being wrong upthread about the means of keeping the substance liquid during transport. John1956PA Feb 2023 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #22
Somebody Already Partly Addressed It ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #24
Another thought I had - will this affect the ozone overhead? FakeNoose Feb 2023 #17
Probably Not ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #23
I imagine the volume of released gases Disaffected Feb 2023 #28
Accurate ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #29
Thank you for the insight Sympthsical Feb 2023 #26
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