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ProfessorGAC

(77,440 posts)
32. Not Accurate
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 05:35 PM
Feb 2023

I've been in dozens of large manufacturing facilities.
Heated tank cars are not heated in transit.

For high melt materials (like your sulfur example, or malefic/phthalic anhydrides) where boiling, hence potential overpressure, is not an issue:
The loading spots allow for preheating with steam coils. Then, they're filled. At the other end, steam is hooked up to remelt.

For things like sulfur trioxide & others with a narrow liquid range, electrical panels are sometimes used to ensure no overheating occurs. But again, they are allowed to freeze. It's actually safer to transport that way because it won't spill.
I participated in 3 incident investigations where small releases occurred but the standard was none. Every incident, no matter how minor, we're investigated at those sites. They all involved heated tank cars. There is no practical way to supply either heat or cooling to railcars in transit.

Perhaps they could do it in Europe where everything is electric so they have access to energy everywhere along the train.
But, I didn't see any such thing there either.

As to trucks vs. rail, the sheer structural demand on a railcar requires steel gouges thar have inherently higher pressure capabilities. In addition, I have not seen a refrigerated tanker truck, and my dad worked at a dairy.

Yeah, his truck had a reefer unit to get cold milk to the supermarkets but that's a different situation than a trailer.
I have seen trailers with heating panels to keep high viscosity materials from getting too thick. But, those use the coolant off the tractor, except in one case was a generator set was used in the winter, on each trailer. (The load has to be reduced by the weight of the gen set, so they were removed April through October).

It's much easier to put heat panels on a truck, run with electricity. In the case of cooling, we would need pumps and coolant, adding even more weight. (BTW, that whole application was not in hazardous service. The material was most closely related to a highly concentrated laundry detergent. Super interesting physical chemistry on that stuff.)

They make high pressure trailers, too. We've all seen them carrying propane, ammonia, carbon dioxide, liquid nitrogen, and the like. Since some of those are refrigerants, I'd think you'd agree it would seem silly to refridgerate a refrigerant!

As to the accident cause, I too have seen nothing definitive. It's just that history suggests that few rail incidents were unpreventable. But, it's certainly possible it's just random chance.

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A lot of Conspiracy Theory in the replies. Included folks claiming the "media" didn't cover it emulatorloo Feb 2023 #1
Correct. I put it on DU within an hour of it occurring. John1956PA Feb 2023 #4
... Faux pas Feb 2023 #2
Here's a great DU thread that merits a read Brother Buzz Feb 2023 #3
There has been a paucity of coverage gratuitous Feb 2023 #5
I've been unable to find a statement by President Biden on this incident liberal_mama Feb 2023 #6
DeWine has visited a couple of times. Diamond_Dog Feb 2023 #7
I don't understand why they aren't making a bigger deal of this liberal_mama Feb 2023 #8
I live just over ten miles due east of the site. John1956PA Feb 2023 #9
Yeah, just burn a bunch of toxic waste and don't bother evacuating people. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2023 #10
There was an evacuation order for residents in the one-mile radius of the derailment. John1956PA Feb 2023 #11
Vinyl chloride smoke is going to be dangerous for more than a 1 mile radius. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2023 #14
My brother lives in farm country 2.5 mile due east of the derailment site. John1956PA Feb 2023 #15
The Biggest Danger... ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #12
Leave it to P-GAC to drop the fact bombs... WarGamer Feb 2023 #13
Thanks but I don't understand the burning without scrubbers part. Disaffected Feb 2023 #16
I think vinyl chloride is a gas at ambient temperatures. John1956PA Feb 2023 #18
Ahh yes, might explain why it was ignited rather than collected and moved off. Disaffected Feb 2023 #19
There might be portable scrubbers which consist mostly of fire hoses spraying a mist of water. n/t John1956PA Feb 2023 #20
There Are Actually Portable Scrubber Systems ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #25
There Are Flatbed Scrubbers ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #21
OK but if the stuff is still contained within the tank cars, Disaffected Feb 2023 #27
I'm Highly Suspicious Of That Report ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #30
I've never seen one either but Disaffected Feb 2023 #31
Not Accurate ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #32
I'm not sure what you are referring to as Disaffected Feb 2023 #33
I'm Done ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #34
You misunderstand my intentions. Disaffected Feb 2023 #35
I'm sorry for being wrong upthread about the means of keeping the substance liquid during transport. John1956PA Feb 2023 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #22
Somebody Already Partly Addressed It ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #24
Another thought I had - will this affect the ozone overhead? FakeNoose Feb 2023 #17
Probably Not ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #23
I imagine the volume of released gases Disaffected Feb 2023 #28
Accurate ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #29
Thank you for the insight Sympthsical Feb 2023 #26
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