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dalton99a

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2. "The U.S. does not require that automated car technology be tested and approved for safety"
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 10:15 AM
Feb 2023
Assuming Tesla does claim to have resolved the FSD problems NHTSA flagged, Americans may well have to take the company’s word for it. Why is that? Because the U.S. does not require that automated car technology be tested and approved for safety before being offered to the public. That goes for initial systems as well as for over-the-air updates.

Tesla’s big recall should serve as a wake-up call. A recklessly designed “autonomous” system shouldn’t be installed on hundreds of thousands of vehicles before the feds intervene. We can prevent that from happening by requiring that these technologies receive pre-approval before they are sold to the public.

Notably, there is no similar FSD recall in the European Union, because Tesla hasn’t received the green light to offer it there. Until regulators grant that permission, Tesla can’t sell FSD to Europeans. During a speech last year in Berlin, Tesla CEO Elon Musk himself summarized the difference in transatlantic car regulations: “In the U.S. things are legal by default, and in Europe they’re illegal by default.”

In fact, the U.S. does use pre-approval to improve transportation safety—just not for cars. But if a plane manufacturer is designing a new piece of software or hardware, the company must work closely with the Federal Aviation Administration to get the go-ahead prior to deployment. This system, sometimes called type approval or type certification, does not always work perfectly (see the 737 Max), but the impressive safety record of American aviation speaks for itself: The U.S. experiences under 0.1 deaths per billion passenger miles, less than 1/100th the risk of dying in a car crash.

But for autos, the U.S. has basically said to carmakers, “You’re good. We trust you.” Manufacturers place a sticker on each new vehicle stating that it complies with the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards, and they’re all set. Carmakers do generally abide by FMVSS, but—and this is a giant flashing “but”—there is nothing within it pertaining to autonomous driving technology or so-called Advanced Driving Assistance Systems (ADAS) like Tesla Full-Self Driving. As a result, carmakers are free to design and install whatever technology they like, as long as their vehicle conforms with the outdated FMVSS, which was drafted under the assumption that a driver is always handling the car.

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Elon Musk is a con artist. yardwork Feb 2023 #1
"The U.S. does not require that automated car technology be tested and approved for safety" dalton99a Feb 2023 #2
sounds like our approach to 'reasonable, responsible' gun ownership. I hope this ruins him. CurtEastPoint Feb 2023 #4
+1 2naSalit Feb 2023 #11
Meanwhile.. MayReasonRule Feb 2023 #7
There needs to be a massive class action lawsuit against Tesla and Elon Musk. tanyev Feb 2023 #3
Also the apparently 360,000+ people that paid $15,000 for FSD which is being disabled ToxMarz Feb 2023 #15
That too. Prosecution would probably be appropriate for those injured or killed, tanyev Feb 2023 #21
You know he's gonna shitpost on his own platform EYESORE 9001 Feb 2023 #5
I am nearly as tired of hearing about Musk as I am about TFG. NewHendoLib Feb 2023 #6
I have no doubt that they will eventually go away Otto_Harper Feb 2023 #8
TFG will definitely go away sooner due to his exemplary diet! NewHendoLib Feb 2023 #10
Musk's massive wealth entitles him to make lives miserable. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2023 #9
Does Mush have actual wealth or is it in stocks and lines of credit? LiberalArkie Feb 2023 #20
He's not going away. In fact he stands make billions off new federal law. Autumn Feb 2023 #18
+1. Once again his personal wealth will increase exponentially courtesy of taxpayers dalton99a Feb 2023 #23
I'm calling it Welfare for the Wealthy. Autumn Feb 2023 #24
Be on the lookout for Tesla's on foot and in traffic bucolic_frolic Feb 2023 #12
Presumably the vehicles are connected to the internet at least markodochartaigh Feb 2023 #14
I'm an old fart curmudgeon. I do not trust it. keithbvadu2 Feb 2023 #13
So they've created a computer that drives like a self-centered asshole. Jokerman Feb 2023 #16
I hope I don't see self-driving BMWs anytime soon. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2023 #25
The technology is moving faster than the laws needed to regulate it. patphil Feb 2023 #17
Musk told beta testers not to complain sarcasmo Feb 2023 #19
If anyone's interested, I've been driving with FSD Beta for over a year. Kablooie Feb 2023 #22
Fearing recall, thousands of... lame54 Feb 2023 #26
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