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Happy Hoosier

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4. I hear this argument a lot...
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 10:32 AM
Mar 2023

That somehow not accepting intolerance (or more appropriately, demanding non-interference), I am somehow being intolerant. A guy I know told that his faith requires him to impose his religious standard on the country and that if I want to forbid that, I am preventing him from practicing his religion freely.

I reminded him quite simply that his right to practice his religion beliefs ends where mine begin. I'm an atheist. I don;t belive in a supernatural being of any kind, or in spirits, or souls. I think it's non-sense. I think those beliefs can be harmful (though they don't have to be), and yet, I don't want to prevent other people from believing whatever spoopy non-sense they believe. And insofar as they do not hurt or impose upon others, or engage in cuelty towards a religious end, I don;t care much what they do.

When they tell me that their religion infomrs their morality and what kinds of laws they want passed, I tell them that's where the line is. If a religious value has a genuine non-religious purpose, it can perhaps be justified in law. But if it's merely about some kind "moral ourage" I absolutely oppose that. It's not intolerance. I "tolerate" their right to be hateful, narrow-minded bigot who believe a magical being demands that they be a hateful, narrow-minded bigot. But IMO, their right to ACT on those beliefs ends at public square. If one's wacky religious beliefs means you can't do your job on a daily basis while interacting with the public, get another job. And ESPECIALLY, if you cannot execute your duties as a public servant because you believe your religion demands it, then you have no place in public service. It's that fucking simple. One's right to act on one's seriously held religious beliefs do not extend into refusing to do your job and still getting paid for it.

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I live by example Marthe48 Mar 2023 #1
Wouldn't work in a world where there are desires for massive edifices and private jets. Girard442 Mar 2023 #2
Especially when those edifices and jets.... jaxexpat Mar 2023 #20
The intolerance of the intolerant is intolerable by the tolerant unweird Mar 2023 #3
I hear this argument a lot... Happy Hoosier Mar 2023 #4
Without freedom from religion, there is no freedom of religion...nt Wounded Bear Mar 2023 #9
What a great founding principle for a country!😉 mjvpi Mar 2023 #22
... Ferrets are Cool Mar 2023 #5
From Butch Hancock: cloudbase Mar 2023 #35
LOL! panader0 Mar 2023 #65
Had to send that screenshot to my daughter in Lubbock nt duhneece Mar 2023 #80
If I believe, and you don't, then subconsciously I will wonder if you are right. Pobeka Mar 2023 #6
But that would mean 303squadron Mar 2023 #7
Not really how democracies work Sympthsical Mar 2023 #8
Exactly Roc2020 Mar 2023 #15
Many of us believe that "morality" is a concept independent of religious faith. nt Atticus Mar 2023 #37
Which means nothing in a democracy Sympthsical Mar 2023 #43
Sounds like nihilism. Fine, if that works for you. I'll pass. nt Atticus Mar 2023 #55
That is not what that word means Sympthsical Mar 2023 #60
OK. Sure. nt Atticus Mar 2023 #63
Wikipedia keeps it simple Sympthsical Mar 2023 #66
I can Google, too. Curious that most of the explanations of "nihilism" mention a "rejection of Atticus Mar 2023 #67
Nothing in my post suggested anything of the sort Sympthsical Mar 2023 #68
I believe I am far from alone when I say that the title of that response is at least Atticus Mar 2023 #70
That's not what atheist means, but you do you. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2023 #73
Atheist is a whole vibe in this country Sympthsical Mar 2023 #74
People misuse the term atheist to fit an agenda, but it's just about belief. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2023 #75
I admit, I'm probably using a personal categorization Sympthsical Mar 2023 #76
I use the term "ethics," not "morality." hunter Mar 2023 #77
Without freedom from religion, there is no freedom of religion...nt Wounded Bear Mar 2023 #10
Good idea! The U.S. Constitution should be amended to say the government can't establish a religion. Towlie Mar 2023 #11
I heard the "Oh Wait" before I read below your title. SouthernDem4ever Mar 2023 #33
I consider myself a first amendment atheist. Javaman Mar 2023 #12
That's hard because some people Roc2020 Mar 2023 #13
the latter. barbtries Mar 2023 #14
Don't we already know the answer is: the latter. KPN Mar 2023 #16
Agree Cherokee100 Mar 2023 #17
Mr. Jefferson - you're up! Grins Mar 2023 #18
Impossible. Iggo Mar 2023 #19
Yep. Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #50
Where The Problem Comes In, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2023 #21
Well said. A good argument for teaching civics and US history in public education. mjvpi Mar 2023 #27
I'm gay and I lived in Dallas on 9/11. markodochartaigh Mar 2023 #38
All too true, Sir Hekate Mar 2023 #44
I've had enough, absolutely enough of elitist evangelicals claiming that their version of faith Ford_Prefect Mar 2023 #23
Listening to Fundamentalist Christians is an exercise in frustration. gordianot Mar 2023 #24
How many of those people do you find here? wryter2000 Mar 2023 #31
When people start actually following the tenets of "their" religion LakeArenal Mar 2023 #25
"Love God" Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #49
Same god who holds a 2000+ year old grudge LakeArenal Mar 2023 #53
Ha ha Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #62
My thoughts? This country has been fully able to deal with religion with very little problems. UNTIL bluestarone Mar 2023 #26
When I was a kid, if someone was being nosy, we would chant, "MYOB" - 3catwoman3 Mar 2023 #28
at our peril HAB911 Mar 2023 #29
Hmm... chicken... egg... Beastly Boy Mar 2023 #30
Works for me SheltieLover Mar 2023 #32
One would hope we could do that here wryter2000 Mar 2023 #34
IME many calls for tolerance are really sarisataka Mar 2023 #45
I'm perfectly happy for people to be atheists wryter2000 Mar 2023 #52
YEP !! uponit7771 Mar 2023 #57
The 11th Commandment SledDriver Mar 2023 #36
It's already in the "book" LakeArenal Mar 2023 #58
I so wish it was that way. Goddessartist Mar 2023 #39
This. Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #48
I refuse to tolerate your tolerance. CaptainTruth Mar 2023 #40
As an individual, yes haele Mar 2023 #41
I am a Christian by choice. hamsterjill Mar 2023 #42
Tell that to the fucking Opus Dei Christian loons on the US Supreme Court Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #46
I have zero tolerance for anti-intellectual religions and I make no apologies for it. hunter Mar 2023 #47
... Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #51
I think you've seen by now wryter2000 Mar 2023 #54
It came as no surprise, but the OP did generate some thoughtful "tolerant" responses. nt Atticus Mar 2023 #56
Well done. wryter2000 Mar 2023 #61
Thanks. nt Atticus Mar 2023 #64
Why does the question need to be asked? MineralMan Mar 2023 #59
From both observation and history Progressive dog Mar 2023 #69
So, how do DU'ers feel about missionaries? llmart Mar 2023 #71
They suck. Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #78
Not Possible NowISeetheLight Mar 2023 #72
I agree with you, but it seems some people think they own morality..... NowsTheTime Mar 2023 #79
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