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Sky Jewels

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223. Very true. And a lot of people misinterpret polling because they think in terms of popular vote.

Tue Mar 14, 2023, 03:22 PM

Mar 2023

I remember 2016 polls that had Hillary ahead nationally. But if you're getting a disproportionate number of those votes from states like California and New York, that doesn't help that much in terms of getting her elected.

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Biden's approval of Willow just cost him my kid's vote [View all] RiverStone Mar 2023 OP

I can see it. Ferrets are Cool Mar 2023 #1

My single issue for kids sake is GUNS. I hate this Willow decision but it won't keep me from Samrob Mar 2023 #165

Read some facts on this issue. yardwork Mar 2023 #266

Then why the FUCK didn't the administration get ahead of this and TOUT all these points Ferrets are Cool Mar 2023 #273

I don't know. Maybe they did but MSM ran with their own agenda? yardwork Mar 2023 #274

The only way he'll win orthoclad Mar 2023 #2

Cause the Republicans wouldn't, "Drill, baby drill?" TheRealNorth Mar 2023 #3

Like being at the mercy of a heroin dealer. orthoclad Mar 2023 #4

Biden and Dem congress passed a lot of stuff aimed to get Americans off of fossil fuel emulatorloo Mar 2023 #35

Al Gore warns it would be 'recklessly irresponsible' to allow Alaska oil drilling plan Celerity Mar 2023 #42

Yep agree! While I'm empathetic to the frustrations on single... RiverStone Mar 2023 #72

Yes they did Progressive dog Mar 2023 #65

Press didn't really didn't talk about it at all, did they? Probably why most people don't know emulatorloo Mar 2023 #66

and this (along with that massive drilling lease auction in the Gulf) undoes a massive chunk of that Celerity Mar 2023 #108

We have built an economy that requires Progressive dog Mar 2023 #150

yes, BUT the US has to start really weening themselves off them and transitioning Celerity Mar 2023 #166

The US, under Biden, weaning itself off fossil fuels to the extent possible. Progressive dog Mar 2023 #208

this sets us back a lot on global climate change, as did that biggest ever lease auction in the Gulf Celerity Mar 2023 #210

Necessary decisions are not bad. Progressive dog Mar 2023 #213

neither were necessary at all, that is simply a false frame nt Celerity Mar 2023 #214

There is nothing false about the relationship Progressive dog Mar 2023 #218

non sequitur Celerity Mar 2023 #222

No it is not a non sequitor Progressive dog Mar 2023 #225

yes it is, as I explained Celerity Mar 2023 #226

The OP was about not voting for Biden Progressive dog Mar 2023 #227

I am NOT defending that short-sightedness at all. That is a patent lie and a smear. Celerity Mar 2023 #228

How soon we forget Progressive dog Mar 2023 #230

That statement is true, and has nothing to do not voting for Biden. Talk about conflation. Celerity Mar 2023 #231

You were tearing down Biden Progressive dog Mar 2023 #232

That is pure dross, you keep doubling down with false claims. My offering up logical & documented Celerity Mar 2023 #235

A bad decision for only 6 days worth of oil was not a 'necessary decision', DemocraticPatriot Mar 2023 #243

Also, first oil will not come from Willow until 2029 at the earliest, so it will have zero effect on Celerity Mar 2023 #255

Exactly what Biden said. 634-5789 Mar 2023 #265

But that is not what you are advocating TheRealNorth Mar 2023 #98

Young people are more driven by single issue RiverStone Mar 2023 #15

So she doesn't care about a woman's right to choose? emulatorloo Mar 2023 #28

Of course she does! Thankfully just as much as protecting our one planet RiverStone Mar 2023 #40

"young people will eventually get it" is not any thing close to what I said. emulatorloo Mar 2023 #44

Ooops, apoligies RiverStone Mar 2023 #76

No worries! emulatorloo Mar 2023 #81

In a lot of places women no longer have the right to choose so that threat isn't going to work. Autumn Mar 2023 #172

I'm not "threatening" anybody. emulatorloo Mar 2023 #269

I didn't say you were. I responded to what you said here, Autumn Mar 2023 #270

It was a question. I don't "threaten" anybody emulatorloo Mar 2023 #271

When we know someone is going to fuck things up, do we run out and fuck em' up first? Magoo48 Mar 2023 #18

At least they say so upfront Raine Mar 2023 #153

Cool story! Mysterian Mar 2023 #5

I believe this story because my kids are similar. Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #20

"I live in a blue state so I'll cast a meaningless protest vote." W_HAMILTON Mar 2023 #32

For the very blue states or very red states, the protest votes don't change the outcomes Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #54

Trump won in 2016 because 3 swing states went for Trump because of third party protest votes emulatorloo Mar 2023 #61

The OP states her kids live in deep blue states Arazi Mar 2023 #74

2016 sorta undermined the safe blue state concept for me I am afraid. emulatorloo Mar 2023 #80

How did protest votes in safe blue states undermine HRC's win? Arazi Mar 2023 #87

I perhaps mistakenly believed Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were pretty safe. emulatorloo Mar 2023 #96

Definitely not fighting Arazi Mar 2023 #118

... emulatorloo Mar 2023 #119

If you read my response, I specifically made a distinction between the deep blue/red and the swings. Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #123

Thanks. emulatorloo Mar 2023 #126

Sure! Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #127

It's surprising how many people don't seem to account for the Electoral College Rob H. Mar 2023 #221

Very true. And a lot of people misinterpret polling because they think in terms of popular vote. Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #223

It's inthewind21 Mar 2023 #275

Not just kids. Am flashing back to my Bernie Bros friends who either sat out the election or voted allegorical oracle Mar 2023 #69

Yep - my kids were also big Bernie fans RiverStone Mar 2023 #33

Yes, they are tired of being told to hold their fire. Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #39

We're also in an another existential crisis - A real threat of Fascism destroying our country. emulatorloo Mar 2023 #58

Exactly! Duppers Mar 2023 #187

Well inthewind21 Mar 2023 #276

Cool response! Marcus IM Mar 2023 #30

You don't have to believe that people might be upset about this. BlackSkimmer Mar 2023 #57

OP's been here since 2006...you've been here 10 minutes. Fix The Stupid Mar 2023 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Raine Mar 2023 #154

Who cares whether you believe or not .... NO ONE!!! nt Raine Mar 2023 #155

This type of response is uncalled for and not helpful IMHO. nt Celerity Mar 2023 #197

I Hope Kids RobinA Mar 2023 #6

Exactly. We really need their votes Mariana Mar 2023 #12

No...not this BAD RiverStone Mar 2023 #16

I think we all cross some line PatSeg Mar 2023 #41

I understand PatSeg, and I'm an older voter RiverStone Mar 2023 #63

Yes, I remember being young and idealistic PatSeg Mar 2023 #77

President Joe is more concerned about making the right choices for the country calguy Mar 2023 #7

This is beyond country, it's pouring gas on our climate crisis fire RiverStone Mar 2023 #53

Sad to say, this sounds more like he made this choice to get a few centrist votes muriel_volestrangler Mar 2023 #128

Your opinion, plain and simple. calguy Mar 2023 #158

Actually it's a fact. Ron Green Mar 2023 #267

Thank you for registering your opinion calguy Mar 2023 #281

And Adam Schiff is against the Willow Project womanofthehills Mar 2023 #186

Sounds like you've got a couple of myopic kids on your hands. BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #8

No, they are amazing activists and peaceful protesters! RiverStone Mar 2023 #19

I agree, RiverStone. This decision sucks balls. Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #22

Adam Schiff has come out against Willow Project womanofthehills Mar 2023 #185

It is what it is. BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #26

You mean like abortion? ripcord Mar 2023 #62

Most people who are passionate about abortion also care about other issues. BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #201

Same Here ProfessorGAC Mar 2023 #116

and you think they care G_j Mar 2023 #124

Unbrilliant ProfessorGAC Mar 2023 #131

I'm serious G_j Mar 2023 #144

The issue of climate change is literally the MOST important issue. Bar none NickB79 Mar 2023 #130

+1 hundreds of millions (humans) Arazi Mar 2023 #137

No Do they think the GOP will do better? This was a compromise. Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #38

Yes, there are better ways to declare PatSeg Mar 2023 #43

Thanks Pat. Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #209

Good to see you back PatSeg Mar 2023 #233

I spent 46 days in the hospital, had a Atrial valve replacement. I am stable but still in AFIB. Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #247

Whoa, 46 days!!! PatSeg Mar 2023 #250

A compromise? So what did we get in this compromise? progressoid Mar 2023 #91

They wanted more land for drilling Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #111

Brilliant. progressoid Mar 2023 #180

We can't run our countries on renewables yet and deals were made with Murkowski to get her Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #206

We're at 500 ppm equivalent of CO2 NickB79 Mar 2023 #132

how do you then conclude that the best thing is to sit out the election? Blues Heron Mar 2023 #168

+1 progressoid Mar 2023 #179

+1 progressoid Mar 2023 #92

What are they doing to prepare to adapt to climate change. Kaleva Mar 2023 #112

Whenever you fail to choose the lesser of two evils, you're being myopic Silent3 Mar 2023 #122

And they're making a shitty decision. Happy Hoosier Mar 2023 #173

That's really insulting. hippywife Mar 2023 #93

I couldn't care less if you think it's insulting. BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #200

That is over the line. You don't know their kids. Ferrets are Cool Mar 2023 #177

Mind your business. BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #199

You mean like you are? Ferrets are Cool Mar 2023 #205

understood, although... markie Mar 2023 #9

Who's he going to vote for instead? Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #10

Possibly no one, he may sit it out Raine Mar 2023 #156

That's just stupid. Happy Hoosier Mar 2023 #171

+1 betsuni Mar 2023 #175

So he prefers to give Trump a boost. That's very sad. Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #198

We don't even know Biden will run for sure womanofthehills Mar 2023 #189

Perhaps you should snowybirdie Mar 2023 #11

If any Dem voted the way of the SCOTUS on Roe RiverStone Mar 2023 #24

All of my children H2O Man Mar 2023 #37

Amen, brother. yardwork Mar 2023 #252

Well inthewind21 Mar 2023 #121

And I'd love to see a lot of things that are unlikely to happen. yardwork Mar 2023 #251

And point out that their similarly short-sighted actions in 2016... W_HAMILTON Mar 2023 #34

Perhaps you should snowybirdie Mar 2023 #13

And don't forget the national parks & how repubs attack and/or ignore them depending on the issue. CrispyQ Mar 2023 #51

Perhaps they should remind the Dems about the cancellation of Roe Autumn Mar 2023 #176

Why inthewind21 Mar 2023 #277

Hillary fucking got more votes than Trump did. Those protest votes didn't mean Autumn Mar 2023 #280

Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2023 #14

I was going to say let the fun begin ... but too late! KPN Mar 2023 #17

Then I hope your kid doesn't consider her/himself a progressive. W_HAMILTON Mar 2023 #21

Unfortunately a lot of progressives awesomerwb1 Mar 2023 #82

Does she know about all the green and environmental parts in the IRA of 2022? emulatorloo Mar 2023 #23

So Gen Z wants to help elect a Repug president in 2024? 50 Shades Of Blue Mar 2023 #25

He hasn't lost my vote but I can't blame anyone for being angry about this appalling move Takket Mar 2023 #27

Not voting for the Dem candidate voting Republican. n/t LeftinOH Mar 2023 #29

It was that type of idiocy that elected trump instead of understanding the big picture JohnSJ Mar 2023 #31

+1000 TheRealNorth Mar 2023 #99

Agree JustAnotherGen Mar 2023 #248

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. CrispyQ Mar 2023 #36

This!👆 SheltieLover Mar 2023 #47

Precisely N/T MANative Mar 2023 #70

No doubt! Prairie_Seagull Mar 2023 #114

One of the best analogies. electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #142

One issue voters are incredibly shortsighted. nt LexVegas Mar 2023 #45

Especially when you have literal Fascists on the other side.... TheRealNorth Mar 2023 #102

Tell your kid voting is not a destination or a marriage, it's the best choice at the time. SheltieLover Mar 2023 #46

I've voted for many Democratic presidential candidates during my long life. Paladin Mar 2023 #48

Look, i hate this as much as anybody here. BUT bluestarone Mar 2023 #49

Nobody likes everything a President does. LakeArenal Mar 2023 #50

That makes 3 of us. n/t Peregrine Took Mar 2023 #52

No, they are short sighted treestar Mar 2023 #55

Ideological purity lets the other guy win The protest voters lose on many more issues. keithbvadu2 Mar 2023 #56

Then they'll get to watch the next Republican president really fuck up the environment Buckeyeblue Mar 2023 #59

I agree 100% TheRealNorth Mar 2023 #107

Well said, and not just that, if you heard the past couple weeks, the fracked wells are depleting Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2023 #143

You nailed it...Getting off oil is a long, difficult process Buckeyeblue Mar 2023 #190

Jill Stein approves of their decision FrankBooth Mar 2023 #60

Some of the most liberal people I've know for years are saying the same thing liberal_mama Mar 2023 #64

And then when the Dems lose and it all goes to hell then what? awesomerwb1 Mar 2023 #89

I think a lot of people have lost their hope and think that things will be bad no matter what liberal_mama Mar 2023 #95

Gen Z is damned to suffer and die because of climate change, and they know it. Lancero Mar 2023 #97

My younger son is obsessed with the climate change issue liberal_mama Mar 2023 #104

Same with mine, only she was born in 2010 NickB79 Mar 2023 #146

I know what you mean. I have 3 children (35, 32, and 29) and I feel guilt sometimes too liberal_mama Mar 2023 #160

I think we have made progress. And I disagree with those who don't care...how will they feel Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #207

Yeah TheRealNorth Mar 2023 #103

When you are almost 30 years old you should be able to reason more rationally Tarzanrock Mar 2023 #67

You have got to take the totality of things mvd Mar 2023 #68

Just imagine how many votes Biden will lose Progressive dog Mar 2023 #71

Future generations won't give a shit how much we paid for gas RiverStone Mar 2023 #83

Future generations don't get to vote Progressive dog Mar 2023 #85

Well, they very might not get to vote if the Republicans win in 2024.... TheRealNorth Mar 2023 #106

That's is certainly a good reason (not) Progressive dog Mar 2023 #147

The U.S.A. was built on Big Oil, and our affluence depends on it. hunter Mar 2023 #184

LOL !!! - Man... Young People Just Can't Win, Ya Know ??? GGoss Mar 2023 #73

+1 progressoid Mar 2023 #86

Thank GGross! RiverStone Mar 2023 #94

Namaste GGoss Mar 2023 #105

Their vote is their vote, until... W_HAMILTON Mar 2023 #129

Thank you for posting this. Ferrets are Cool Mar 2023 #178

I hope they at least wait for Biden's reasoning. If rethugs get in judesedit Mar 2023 #78

Considering on the things on the climate change and envorinmental scale In It to Win It Mar 2023 #79

Biden will be criticized no matter what he does. EndlessWire Mar 2023 #84

Well that sounds like a flaky reason to vote for Ron DeSantis Bucky Mar 2023 #88

"No difference between the two parties" always achieves results brooklynite Mar 2023 #90

Do your kids buy products made in China? Kaleva Mar 2023 #100

No no no, Biden is personally responsible for all the bad climate things now. betsuni Mar 2023 #134

You may want to take a look at the bigger picture . . . hatrack Mar 2023 #145

CO2 can stay in the atmosphere for 300 to a 1000 years Kaleva Mar 2023 #164

Tell him he's a moron... hunter Mar 2023 #101

Is this the same one? DashOneBravo Mar 2023 #109

My niece who lives in SF voted against Pelosi. maxsolomon Mar 2023 #110

My niece JustAnotherGen Mar 2023 #113

Sometimes people expect campaign promises to be kept ripcord Mar 2023 #115

Do they use any plastic products? MichMan Mar 2023 #117

Climate activists inthewind21 Mar 2023 #125

Trump or DeSantis approve your kids' choice. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2023 #120

It's amazing how so many here at DU have praised the activism of Greta Thunberg NickB79 Mar 2023 #133

After Ralph Nader and Jill Stein FrankBooth Mar 2023 #135

+1 betsuni Mar 2023 #138

The planet is literally on the cusp of a mass extinction event from burning hydrocarbons NickB79 Mar 2023 #141

If it makes you feel any better, the hellscape is probably more likely to be the result of humanity Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2023 #148

We're at 500 ppm equivalent of CO2. Large scale climate change is already likely locked in NickB79 Mar 2023 #152

Okay ... we ... unfortunately agree ... Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2023 #157

Seems suspicious. Just A Box Of Rain Mar 2023 #212

How does voting Republican follow the lead of Greta Thunberg? iemanja Mar 2023 #181

+1 betsuni Mar 2023 #191

Follow her lead? She urged all Americans to vote. Has she changed that opinion? betsuni Mar 2023 #188

DU is a forum for supporters of the Democratic Party. betsuni Mar 2023 #193

They are better off voting for Biden, friend of a friend Mar 2023 #136

He's spoke inthewind21 Mar 2023 #220

He does need to get the message out about all the green/environmental stuff in the IRA of 2022. emulatorloo Mar 2023 #272

Single issue voters are so hard to please and just a couple of issues make them drop. uponit7771 Mar 2023 #139

Being young and idealistic was fun Trenzalore Mar 2023 #140

Just when the GOP is ready to pull itself apart, Democrats will find a way elocs Mar 2023 #149

+1 betsuni Mar 2023 #195

Not voting Democratic IS effectively voting Republican. Hortensis Mar 2023 #151

+1 Xandric Mar 2023 #169

+1 NT Happy Hoosier Mar 2023 #174

I consider Elessar Zappa Mar 2023 #159

ABC News tonight said if he had denied it, court would have overturned to allow the drilling wishstar Mar 2023 #161

Compromised on 3 sites madville Mar 2023 #203

Threatening not to vote for Democrats as punishment for some sin or other has to be betsuni Mar 2023 #162

Your kid cares more about an emotional hit than they do about the environment. nt LAS14 Mar 2023 #163

I guess the student debt return is appealing to them Xandric Mar 2023 #167

SCOTUS is likely going to slap that 10K to 20K in relief right back onto the balances of Celerity Mar 2023 #224

So your kids are making a shitty decision... Happy Hoosier Mar 2023 #170

+1 betsuni Mar 2023 #194

Be sure to tell them they are voting for big oil to operate unfettered iemanja Mar 2023 #182

This makes no sense JI7 Mar 2023 #183

+1 betsuni Mar 2023 #192

The type of shit that got us Trump instead of Hillary Thrill Mar 2023 #196

Yes. Hillary was the only presidential candidate to actively work with Flint, Michigan mayor betsuni Mar 2023 #204

She was the most qualified candidate. EndlessWire Mar 2023 #211

I love Secretary Pete! betsuni Mar 2023 #239

Also got us Nixon instead of Humphrey Zorro Mar 2023 #216

Majority of US oil use is military and air travel madville Mar 2023 #202

And as a corollary point, if we don't have a measure of energy independence, we exacerbate the need Just A Box Of Rain Mar 2023 #217

Too bad we have no way to tell people born after Ralph Nader wrecked Al Gore how catastrophic... Hekate Mar 2023 #215

Some may be old enough to know what happened the next time that we heard there isn't a Just A Box Of Rain Mar 2023 #219

Then politicians shouldn't break campaign promises ripcord Mar 2023 #229

So who did you vote for in 2000 and in 2016? Feel good about the results for the planet? Hekate Mar 2023 #234

How do you trust someone who has lied to you about something important? ripcord Mar 2023 #236

Can't answer my questions, eh? I figured it out my very first election, when we got Nixon... Hekate Mar 2023 #238

See the risk when politicians lie? ripcord Mar 2023 #240

51% of the country has had its bodily autonomy ripped away by a SCOTUS given to us by the GOP Hekate Mar 2023 #245

No inthewind21 Mar 2023 #278

Biden is President, not Emperor. hunter Mar 2023 #241

Maybe Newsom will run ripcord Mar 2023 #242

You haven't seen the DUers jumping up & down on him because his first wife is now Trump Jr's gf? Hekate Mar 2023 #246

I really don't care what other DUers think ripcord Mar 2023 #249

If he is the final candidate? MrsCoffee Mar 2023 #261

Cool story, bro! RandiFan1290 Mar 2023 #262

+1 betsuni Mar 2023 #263

+1 betsuni Mar 2023 #237

You tell your kid that refusing to vote in the next election DemocraticPatriot Mar 2023 #244

Biden slashed Willow by 40% while permanently protecting sensitive land; he had no leverage to kill Justice Mar 2023 #253

+1 betsuni Mar 2023 #254

+1000000000 Hekate Mar 2023 #259

I'm glad my 22 year old knows that no one candidate xmas74 Mar 2023 #256

+1 betsuni Mar 2023 #258

Ahhhh to be young and ignorant and so very very righteous GuppyGal Mar 2023 #257

+1 betsuni Mar 2023 #260

Understand what Biden said.... 634-5789 Mar 2023 #264

Going to the center will win over independent voters. Emile Mar 2023 #268

Negotiating inthewind21 Mar 2023 #279