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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
59. So What?
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 01:02 AM
Mar 2023

Seriously, Sir, so what?

Russia has been invaded. Russia has invaded quite as frequently. Germany has been invaded, France has, and Italy, and any other European state has been. So who cares? I've been struck a few times in my life, so I have license to punch the next guy I look at funny?

None of this makes the Russian campaign of genocide in Ukraine any less a vast crime. And make no mistake, the Kremlin's declared intent of erasing Ukraine as a political, social, and cultural entity, can be found almost word for word in the legal definition of the crime of genocide, and that crime is being pressed with wholesale atrocity.

Whether you realize it or not, you are quoting the Athenian emissary to Melos: The strong do as they please, and the weak suffer what they must. I doubt many here would apply the same principle in the same way should, for instance, the United States invade Venezuela to overthrow Maduro tomorrow. Though traditionally the place has been part of our sphere of influence for a couple of centuries, at least by our traditions, anyway.

It is possible Putin has come to realize portions of NATO cannot be peeled off. The idea that all Europe would have the grit to go to war over some small, far away place has a long pedigree among aggressive dictators who fancy themselves the hardest man in any room. It has worked before, and it was not, until recently, wild to speculate the little Baltic states might be again absorbed, by a calculated campaign of subversion pitched to the idea ethnic Russians are sorely persecuted in Estonia, or Latvia, for starters.

And of course, if one is to cite past harms as cause for current events, it ought to be taken into account that Russia has already, not quite a century ago, murdered by starvation millions of Ukrainians. You cannot possibly imagine this gives no steel to Ukraine's national resistance to Russian invasion, and so know the soldiers of Ukraine do not fight as proxies for leading parties engaged in conflict over their heads. They fight for the survival of their land. Why should they not be given assistance? Why should they be consigned to defeat by a genocidal power seeking to reconstitute its lost empire?

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I see the US is deploying 2 aircraft carriers to the region. captain queeg Mar 2023 #1
Ever see this? Cariers are very susecptable... NowsTheTime Mar 2023 #51
Would be a good show of force republianmushroom Mar 2023 #2
Makes sense. roamer65 Mar 2023 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author lark Mar 2023 #4
How do you figure Poland is in Putin's sights? maxsolomon Mar 2023 #49
There was some leaked Russian docs I read about. lark Mar 2023 #52
MIC has a massive orgasm over this War Talk, speculative stroking as it gets, it gets the job done. Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #5
And? Hekate Mar 2023 #7
As a matter of perspective on how big this force would be. kairos12 Mar 2023 #6
My guess is the number is among all NATO members' forces Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2023 #8
He redeployed about 70k. Igel Mar 2023 #9
+1 Celerity Mar 2023 #21
Good idea. highplainsdem Mar 2023 #10
War Criminal Putin will say moondust Mar 2023 #11
Enlargement of NATO Celerity Mar 2023 #22
Shhhh...this picture tells a thousand truths. Suppress it from American eyes! Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #35
And What Might That 'Truth' Be, Sir? The Magistrate Mar 2023 #48
Russia has been invaded more than a few times, from the West. An infinite number of times Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #55
So What? The Magistrate Mar 2023 #59
Sorry to say there a more than a few strawmen in that hay pile. Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #60
Wow!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #61
'Factoid' Is An Odd Word, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2023 #64
That's Beneath You, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2023 #62
Well...so much for Single Payer health care. Xolodno Mar 2023 #12
Ummm, you do know that this is from all NATO members don't you? MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #14
+1 leftstreet Mar 2023 #30
This is what I suggested sarisataka Mar 2023 #13
WTF? I played every Fallout game there is, it's not a pretty land. Don't go there Shanti Shanti Shanti Mar 2023 #15
So are you suggesting that NATO leaves it's eastern flank exposed? MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #16
JFC, Russia already said they could send nuke tipped missiles to Belarus, and this is the answer Shanti Shanti Shanti Mar 2023 #17
They already have nuke-capable hypersonic missiles in Kaliningrad that can hit the major capitols... LudwigPastorius Mar 2023 #19
Tactical nukes, battlefield nukes, small yields, enough to take out concentrations of troops Shanti Shanti Shanti Mar 2023 #20
Diabolical, hey!? A pathway to use nukes, but only the tiny ones.... Wildly speculative. Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #24
Hey how is that Doomsday Clock doing? Never hear about that Doomsday Clock anymore, right? Shanti Shanti Shanti Mar 2023 #27
In January it was moved sarisataka Mar 2023 #33
If NATO were to precipitously move such a massive amount of troops, and their war machines, Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #34
So we know what not to do sarisataka Mar 2023 #36
Who said anything about moving massive troops? MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #37
We can fund NATO like we have been, just tell em our boys will sit this one out Shanti Shanti Shanti Mar 2023 #38
So fund NATO, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #41
The only way to win, is not to play the game Shanti Shanti Shanti Mar 2023 #43
How is that different? sarisataka Mar 2023 #42
China comes in, brokers peace deal, they will rebuild Ukraine in exchange for exclusive rights Shanti Shanti Shanti Mar 2023 #44
If I understand you correctly sarisataka Mar 2023 #45
Not quite, China sells it's peace plan to Ukraine and Russia saves face, we are left out, China wins Shanti Shanti Shanti Mar 2023 #46
I often have trouble sarisataka Mar 2023 #47
Sooo...........appeasement. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #53
So what happens when Ukraine, rightly so, tells China and Russia to fuck off? MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #54
Cant let China win! No to Peace! Must have War! Seems to be the Western response. Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #56
We have always been at war with Eastasia Shanti Shanti Shanti Mar 2023 #63
So you would leave NATO's eastern flank exposed. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #28
It's been almost 80 years, Europe is itching for another WW? I guess they're overdue... Shanti Shanti Shanti Mar 2023 #29
I'm well aware of what happened in 94, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #32
You mean the mighty Russian juggernaut that couldn't move 40 mi to Kiev is gonna overrun Europe? Shanti Shanti Shanti Mar 2023 #39
I really couldn't care less it you're buying it or not. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #40
The Man's Reach Exceeds His Grasp, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2023 #50
Don't forget Russia could outlflank the Western Navy by stealthy sending out its only carrier... Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #57
Idiotic. former9thward Mar 2023 #18
Exactly...folks don't seem to be aware of what a mass movement and deployment his would be... Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #23
Time to buy Raytheon stock, Putin will draw arms to Europe and Xi will attack Taiwan, perfect Shanti Shanti Shanti Mar 2023 #25
No, yes, and no. Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #26
Somebody please finish him already! niyad Mar 2023 #31
"Considering" is a start. sarcasmo Mar 2023 #58
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