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In reply to the discussion: What the heck is wrong with Ari Melber...? [View all]old as dirt
(1,972 posts)66. The stuff about refugees goes way back.
Most palenques were destroyed, because they set a bad example, but when the colonialists were unable to destroy a palenque (they were very difficult and dangerous to destroy, according to historians), they entered into treaties that sought to control their immigration/refugee policies.
I've bolded the references to refugees. (The Wikipedia article has a big blooper later on, where it asserts that there are no other surviving palenques. My wife's palenque survives to this day as well.)
If you ever visit Cartagena, be sure to allot a couple of days to swing by Palenque de San Basilio. It's very close, and no visit to Cartagena is complete without it.
San Basilio de Palenque
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Basilio_de_Palenque
San Basilio de Palenque or Palenque de San Basilio, often referred to by the locals simply as Palenke, is a Palenque village and corregimiento in the Municipality of Mahates, Bolivar in northern Colombia. Palenque was the first free African town in the Americas, and in 2005 was declared a Masterpiece of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity by UNESCO.[1]
History
Spaniards introduced enslaved Africans in South America through the Magdalena River Valley. Its mouth is close to the important port of Cartagena de Indias where ships full of Africans arrived. Some Africans escaped and set up Palenque de San Basilio, a town close to Cartagena. This community began in 1619, when Domingo Biohó led a group of about 30 runaways into the forests, and defeated attempts to subdue them. Biohó declared himself King Benkos, and his palenque of San Basilio attracted large numbers of runaways to join his community. His Maroons defeated the first expedition sent against them, killing their leader Juan Gómez. The Spanish arrived at terms with Biohó, but later they captured him, accused him of plotting against the Spanish, and had him hanged.[2]
They tried to free all enslaved Africans arriving at Cartagena and were quite successful. Therefore, the Spanish Crown issued a Royal Decree (1691), guaranteeing freedom to the Palenque de San Basilio Africans if they stopped welcoming new escapees. But runaways continued to escape to freedom in San Basilio. In 1696, the colonial authorities subdued another rebellion there, and between 1713-7. Eventually, the Spanish agreed to peace terms with the palenque of San Basilio, and in 1772, this community of maroons was included within the Mahates district, as long they no longer accepted any further runaways
African roots in Latin America: Palenque (Colombia) | Armin Schwegler | TEDxUCIrvine
LA TIERRA PROMETIDA, CARLOS VIVES, CARTAGENA DE INDIAS, COLOMBIA, TURISMO
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Exactly. I'm 72 and love Ari's perspective and quotes many of us haven't heard.
txwhitedove
Mar 2023
#54
Well put. Don't mind his enthusiasm for Rap, but get uncomfortable when he interjects a
allegorical oracle
Mar 2023
#122
lol, all good, I figured that your would know as it was a reply to Malaise, my West Indian sis! lol
Celerity
Mar 2023
#32
On his show, Ari often says that he mixes hip hop and rap lyrics and references into its content.
TheBlackAdder
Mar 2023
#46
I had the great pleasure to see Peter Tosh six times (in one week) back in 1978.
Just A Box Of Rain
Mar 2023
#91
JA & UK producers used all sorts of alt spellings for him (real name is Winston Hubert McIntosh)
Celerity
Mar 2023
#104
Other people may not know, this whole bifurcated reggae divergence started when a poster said
Celerity
Mar 2023
#107
The entire thing is quite innocuous, and I certainly came bearing no malice or ill intent towards
Celerity
Mar 2023
#110
I keep one (in a sheath) tucked between my mattress and bed-spring with just the handle
Just A Box Of Rain
Mar 2023
#135
Infectious songs, old as dirt. I wondered if "De Donde Vengo Yo" was filmed in Buenaventura...
Judi Lynn
Mar 2023
#16
Great hearing the wooden marimba instruments, although very musical, they have great softness.
Judi Lynn
Mar 2023
#79
It's good and helpful to hear that, will keep an eye out. Have seen the name repeatedly. n/t
Judi Lynn
Mar 2023
#78
When he books exceedingly accomplished experts whose lives certainly have not likely included
hlthe2b
Mar 2023
#14
I don't but music is not the subject for which they were booked to discuss. So assuming they would
hlthe2b
Mar 2023
#93
Keep your inaccurate and accusatory snark to yourself. No one here said such a thing.
hlthe2b
Mar 2023
#111
The problematic assumption is his interjecting this without KNOWING that they DO.
hlthe2b
Mar 2023
#98
The thing is we have been exposed to way more global music including American music
malaise
Mar 2023
#37
an insane amount of rare, hard to find music is on of the best things about the internet
Celerity
Mar 2023
#56
That's what fast forward on recorded shows is for. I have no interest in rap, but many others do.
housecat
Mar 2023
#42
He's very popular, but not my 'cup of tea' as my old Scottish grandma used to say.
Joinfortmill
Mar 2023
#48
I like Ari a whole bunch. His being a fan-boy to music he likes sometimes seems a bit
Liberal In Texas
Mar 2023
#51
As a lawyer, I used to like Ari's show because he does an okay job on the legal analysis
LetMyPeopleVote
Mar 2023
#55
Yes. It is the interjection totally out of context with guests who obviously don't follow that...
hlthe2b
Mar 2023
#81
No. The problematic assumption is his interjecting this without KNOWING that they DO.
hlthe2b
Mar 2023
#102
It's incredibly awkward and forced and is the main reason I don't watch his show.
ParishPolitique
Mar 2023
#83
re: "for a lawyer, seldom does a better job explaining legal stuff than your average non-lawyer host
hlthe2b
Mar 2023
#103
Gotta disagree with him here. Brand Nubian said "You gotta love or leave me alone.." first. Who's
Carlitos Brigante
Mar 2023
#129