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In reply to the discussion: Officers kill homeowner after responding to wrong address [View all]former9thward
(33,424 posts)81. Instead of opening the door maybe he should have followed Biden's advice.
Field & Stream:_ What about the other uses, for self-defense and target practice?
V.P. BIDEN: Well, the way in which we measure it isI think most scholars would sayis that as long as you have a weapon sufficient to be able to provide your self-defense. I did one of these town-hall meetings on the Internet and one guy said, Well, what happens when the end days come? What happens when theres the earthquake? I live in California, and I have to protect myself.
I said, Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door. Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether thats true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me. No ones arguing we should make machine guns legal.
https://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/guns/2013/02/gun-control-joe-biden-interview/
V.P. BIDEN: Well, the way in which we measure it isI think most scholars would sayis that as long as you have a weapon sufficient to be able to provide your self-defense. I did one of these town-hall meetings on the Internet and one guy said, Well, what happens when the end days come? What happens when theres the earthquake? I live in California, and I have to protect myself.
I said, Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door. Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether thats true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me. No ones arguing we should make machine guns legal.
https://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/guns/2013/02/gun-control-joe-biden-interview/
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I blame the police. At this time guns are legal and citizens are allowed to possess them
XorXor
Apr 2023
#100
A bright day for the gun industry, except for that whole guns for protection thing
sanatanadharma
Apr 2023
#4
A lot of bad things can happen in the 10 to 20 minutes it takes for a sheriff's deputy
doc03
Apr 2023
#92
You Will Twist Yourself Into Logical Knots Backing This Silly Position. Let's Play a Game.
ruet
Apr 2023
#35
Of course not, because there always has to be a gun at the bottom of that rope in your world.
Renew Deal
Apr 2023
#42
Do you bother to find out who is outside or do you just start shooting to make the noise stop?
Renew Deal
Apr 2023
#41
I don't get the last part. Why open your door after seeing that everything is fine inside?
ecstatic
Apr 2023
#72
2am I heard my gate open very quietly, Heard shuffling, then heard the gate close.
BlueWaveNeverEnd
Apr 2023
#89
One of the many reasons I never answer unexpected knocks on the door. Ever.
LuckyCharms
Apr 2023
#36
I don't think the officers were going to go away if the door wasn't answered.
JustABozoOnThisBus
Apr 2023
#53
The pizza guy, making minimum wage, seems capable of finding the right address without problem.
rsdsharp
Apr 2023
#51
I can think of exactly one scenario in which this shooting MIGHT be justified.
Jedi Guy
Apr 2023
#74
That's pretty wild. I suppose it could be a coincidence, but those are very long odds.
Jedi Guy
Apr 2023
#93
Instead of opening the door maybe he should have followed Biden's advice.
former9thward
Apr 2023
#81