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XorXor

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100. I blame the police. At this time guns are legal and citizens are allowed to possess them

Sat Apr 8, 2023, 11:24 AM

Apr 2023

The police know this. The person did not fire at the police. I don't think they pointed it at them either until the police shot the husband. The police were wrong here, the same as they were wrong in Atatiana Jefferson's, Breonna Taylor's, and that guy in Arizona deaths. I'm sure there are others that didn't get as much attention too.

The police too often take the shoot first and ask questions later approach. It's also not uncommon for them to have an us vs. them my mindset that increases tension that leads to situations like this. I've seen plenty of interactions like the one described here in which the cop didn't kill the person. This cop made poor choices that lead to him killing an innocent person.

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Officers kill homeowner after responding to wrong address [View all] In It to Win It Apr 2023 OP

To Serve and Protect Coventina Apr 2023 #1

Did none of the police cars have their overheads on? TheBlackAdder Apr 2023 #76

Don't go open a door with a gun in your hand Kaleva Apr 2023 #2

I Wonder If You Had The Same Words of Wisdom After the Breonna Taylor Murder. -NT- ruet Apr 2023 #9

Does your training say to do what the homeowner did? Kaleva Apr 2023 #88

Of course! gratuitous Apr 2023 #15

Easy to blame the cops, but why did this innocent neighbor answer.... TreasonousBastard Apr 2023 #3

Good question. MineralMan Apr 2023 #5

For Sure RobinA Apr 2023 #11

Ok, Go Up to Someone's House at 11:30 PM and Bang on Their Door. ruet Apr 2023 #13

Believe it inthewind21 Apr 2023 #21

This place has definitely drifted rightward over time. Coventina Apr 2023 #22

I'm Not Sure It's RW Drift. ruet Apr 2023 #25

Oh, so they're blaming the homeowner for just having the gun Coventina Apr 2023 #28

With this inthewind21 Apr 2023 #30

indeed inthewind21 Apr 2023 #26

+1 million. Very depressing Arazi Apr 2023 #79

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2023 #97

You know plenty of people have been killed by police for holding a cell phone Arazi Apr 2023 #78

I blame the police. At this time guns are legal and citizens are allowed to possess them XorXor Apr 2023 #100

A bright day for the gun industry, except for that whole guns for protection thing sanatanadharma Apr 2023 #4

Unfortunately... jmowreader Apr 2023 #6

Assuming that you know it's cops at the door. wnylib Apr 2023 #32

Why answer the door with a gun in your hand even if you don't know? jmowreader Apr 2023 #48

Because somebody pounding on your door at 11:30 pm is not wnylib Apr 2023 #50

I'd call 911 moonscape Apr 2023 #62

I probably would, too, since I don't have a gun. wnylib Apr 2023 #65

Exactly. moonscape Apr 2023 #66

A lot of bad things can happen in the 10 to 20 minutes it takes for a sheriff's deputy doc03 Apr 2023 #92

Cops are at wrong address, dispatcher might not connect yagotme Apr 2023 #101

Yeah that was weird. ecstatic Apr 2023 #71

The guy probably spent too much time on Nextdoor LeftInTX Apr 2023 #102

madness. What a disaster. SMH ecstatic Apr 2023 #7

There's body cam footage. lapucelle Apr 2023 #8

"Oh. Hey. Sorry bout that." lpbk2713 Apr 2023 #10

Play Deadly Games RobinA Apr 2023 #12

What A Horrifying Take. ruet Apr 2023 #17

Answering while armed enabled the situation Renew Deal Apr 2023 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author ruet Apr 2023 #33

Why inthewind21 Apr 2023 #37

One of the articles says that they claimed they did. Renew Deal Apr 2023 #44

If somebody's pounding at my door at eleven thirty Tribetime Apr 2023 #20

Why answer the door at all? Renew Deal Apr 2023 #31

You Will Twist Yourself Into Logical Knots Backing This Silly Position. Let's Play a Game. ruet Apr 2023 #35

You don't need a gun if you know it's the police Renew Deal Apr 2023 #39

I... Just... Can't ruet Apr 2023 #40

Of course not, because there always has to be a gun at the bottom of that rope in your world. Renew Deal Apr 2023 #42

Well, at my house inthewind21 Apr 2023 #38

Do you bother to find out who is outside or do you just start shooting to make the noise stop? Renew Deal Apr 2023 #41

No inthewind21 Apr 2023 #61

I don't get the last part. Why open your door after seeing that everything is fine inside? ecstatic Apr 2023 #72

Good thing you're so well prepared Chautauquas Apr 2023 #82

2am I heard my gate open very quietly, Heard shuffling, then heard the gate close. BlueWaveNeverEnd Apr 2023 #89

I just use the Ring camera (did this today with phylny Apr 2023 #73

I wouldn't call opening ones door a deadly game XorXor Apr 2023 #103

It gets even weirder Nevilledog Apr 2023 #84

What inthewind21 Apr 2023 #14

An armed society is a polite society Coventina Apr 2023 #23

So much for "home defense"... Bettie Apr 2023 #16

FTP. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2023 #18

This is another case where guns are to blame Renew Deal Apr 2023 #19

Well inthewind21 Apr 2023 #24

I'm guessing he grabbed it when the bell rang. Renew Deal Apr 2023 #27

I'm guessing inthewind21 Apr 2023 #34

That's likely Renew Deal Apr 2023 #43

I have had police come to my place sarisataka Apr 2023 #60

One of the many reasons I never answer unexpected knocks on the door. Ever. LuckyCharms Apr 2023 #36

There are tons of Ring videos of exactly this. Renew Deal Apr 2023 #45

After 31 years of marriage, I still can't convince my wife to not answer LuckyCharms Apr 2023 #54

Yes..However without Ring how would we know LeftInTX Apr 2023 #104

I don't think the officers were going to go away if the door wasn't answered. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2023 #53

Well, I would play the situation by ear in that case. LuckyCharms Apr 2023 #56

I disagree with the concept of ACAB... WarGamer Apr 2023 #46

Voluntary manslaughter all day long. SYFROYH Apr 2023 #69

BOTH husband and wife answer door stopdiggin Apr 2023 #47

I didn't think of that. Renew Deal Apr 2023 #49

THE POLICE WERE AT THE WRONG HOUSE! ruet Apr 2023 #55

You can't communicate civily enough to avoid banning? Renew Deal Apr 2023 #57

Gun owners are obligated to get adequate training Kaleva Apr 2023 #91

Don't know. But I think it's worth asking .. stopdiggin Apr 2023 #77

The pizza guy, making minimum wage, seems capable of finding the right address without problem. rsdsharp Apr 2023 #51

I've never gotten gotten lost on Google Maps. In It to Win It Apr 2023 #52

uh Kali Apr 2023 #64

My Office & Lab Was In A Site Like That ProfessorGAC Apr 2023 #67

I had signs made and 10 days later, next wreck, Kali Apr 2023 #70

I was trying to find a house/street, but couldn't find it. LeftInTX Apr 2023 #108

Yea cops shooting wrong person? sarisataka Apr 2023 #58

An armed society is a polite society Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2023 #59

Lots of victim blaming on this thread. Wow. n/t Coventina Apr 2023 #63

It happens more and more often lately Bettie Apr 2023 #86

You have every right to answer the door with a gun in doc03 Apr 2023 #68

you have that right stopdiggin Apr 2023 #80

I can think of exactly one scenario in which this shooting MIGHT be justified. Jedi Guy Apr 2023 #74

I posted this above, but there's some weird shit about this Nevilledog Apr 2023 #85

That's pretty wild. I suppose it could be a coincidence, but those are very long odds. Jedi Guy Apr 2023 #93

Maybe the victim knew about the deaths at the salvage yard Solomon Apr 2023 #94

Then why would he open the door and expose himself? Kaleva Apr 2023 #99

This is very interesting gulliver Apr 2023 #95

This happened about 40 miles away from me in a very red town. likesmountains 52 Apr 2023 #75

Instead of opening the door maybe he should have followed Biden's advice. former9thward Apr 2023 #81

Lol! ecstatic Apr 2023 #87

Glad we found a situation where the majority here supports the cops hardluck Apr 2023 #83

Critizing the gun owner isn't supporting the police Kaleva Apr 2023 #90

Two things can't be true here at DU. bluedigger Apr 2023 #96

Yes Kaleva Apr 2023 #98

Do we have enough information to say they shouldn't have shot him? Renew Deal Apr 2023 #105

I agree with you hardluck Apr 2023 #106

There really is no glee in avoidable tragedies like this one Kaleva Apr 2023 #107

Mexican Standoff's tend to not go very well Quixote1818 Apr 2023 #109

The body cam footage has been released. WARNING GRAPHIC Renew Deal Apr 2023 #110

Strange no one has commented on the video. sarisataka Apr 2023 #111