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xocetaceans

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27. So, were you part of your so-called "general public" of "willing co-conspirators"?
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 10:54 AM
Apr 2023

Can you further delineate your statement so as to make it clear who you wish people here to hate?

And "the victims"? Who were "the victims" who were "groomed" in your opinion? It's pretty unlikely that an invasion counts as merely "grooming". (ChatGPT would be envious of the logic in your sentence.) It's also pretty clear that the country of Iraq was primarily victimized along with anyone directly affected by the war.

The "biggest war crime was manufacturing public consent"? Some might say that the ordering of an unjustified war (the commanding of the actual set of attacks that constituted the invasion) would have been the " 'Biggest' war crime...." But why be hyperbolic?

In spite of all of that you've written, what are YOU doing to get the US to join the "ICJ" to stop those war crimes...? No...wait...the ICJ? ...the International Court of Justice? Clearly, here you really meant the ICC, not the ICJ.


Here is a description of the the International Court of Justice:


What is the International Court of Justice?

The Court is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations. It was established by the United Nations Charter, which was signed in 1945 in San Francisco (United States), and began work in 1946 in the Peace Palace, The Hague (Netherlands).

The Court, which is composed of 15 judges, has a twofold role: first, to settle, in accordance with international law, legal disputes between States submitted to it by them and, second, to give advisory opinions on legal matters referred to it by duly authorized United Nations organs and specialized agencies.

The Court's official languages are English and French.

https://www.icj-cij.org/frequently-asked-questions



Here is a description of the distinction that you were missing:


What differentiates the International Court of Justice from the International Criminal Court and the ad hoc international criminal tribunals?

The International Court of Justice has no jurisdiction to try individuals accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity. As it is not a criminal court, it does not have a prosecutor able to initiate proceedings.

This task is the preserve of national courts, the ad hoc criminal tribunals established by the United Nations (such as the International Residual Mechanism for Criminal Tribunals (IRMCT), mandated to take over residual functions from the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) and from the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR)) or in co-operation with it (such as the Special Court for Sierra Leone and the Special Tribunal for Lebanon), and also of the International Criminal Court, set up under the Rome Statute.

https://www.icj-cij.org/frequently-asked-questions



And here is a long, more extensive discussion of what the International Criminal Court does:


The Role of the International Criminal Court
The ICC was created to bring justice to the world’s worst war criminals, but debate over the court still rages.

Written By
Claire Klobucista

Updated
Last updated March 28, 2022 2:00 pm (EST)


Summary

  • The ICC seeks to investigate and prosecute those responsible for grave offenses such as genocide and war crimes.

  • Dozens of countries are not ICC members, including China, India, Russia, and the United States.

  • The court has angered nonmembers by launching probes into possible war crimes in Afghanistan, the Palestinian territories, and Ukraine.


Introduction

The International Criminal Court (ICC), established in 2002, seeks to hold to account those guilty of some of the world’s worst crimes. Champions of the court say it deters would-be war criminals, bolsters the rule of law, and offers justice to victims of atrocities. But, since its inception, the court has faced considerable setbacks. It has been unable to gain the support of major powers, including the United States, China, and Russia, who say it undermines national sovereignty. Two countries have withdrawn from the court, and many African governments complain that the court has singled out Africa. U.S. opposition to the ICC hardened under President Donald Trump, and although the Joe Biden administration has taken a more conciliatory approach, tensions remain.

...

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/role-international-criminal-court



But you closed well: "See how that works?"

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Our Party leaders have no interest in doing such Kaleva Apr 2023 #1
I'm all for forgiveness, but first Justice. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #9
What are you implying? Kaleva Apr 2023 #35
It seems rather clear H2O Man Apr 2023 #38
But who was telling us to move on? Kaleva Apr 2023 #39
I agree that the invasion of Iraq should be investigated. But let's clear the trash, that is... usaf-vet Apr 2023 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author usaf-vet Apr 2023 #43
In a perfect world, that would happen. It is a never ending battle to make the planet a better place everyonematters Apr 2023 #2
Yes. The World was watching, doesn't forget. Then came the shredded Iran deal. Alexander Of Assyria Apr 2023 #5
DU tried to warn them. Millions took to the streets... Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #12
Common Dreams - the voice of Ralph Nader mzmolly Apr 2023 #3
As opposed to Steno Judy and The New York Times. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #14
" CommonDreams.org, Apr 12, 2023" mzmolly Apr 2023 #40
Corporate media were willing co-conspirators. So was the general public. Alexander Of Assyria Apr 2023 #4
So, were you part of your so-called "general public" of "willing co-conspirators"? xocetaceans Apr 2023 #27
The Big Lie at Work Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #33
whole thing was a disinformation campaign by Dubya's administration, drummed up by Rumsfeld & Cheney onetexan Apr 2023 #57
Never forget... 2naSalit Apr 2023 #6
Truly sorry, 2naSalit. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #44
Another pair of... 2naSalit Apr 2023 #7
That's a good idea! Marthe48 Apr 2023 #13
Good point! 2naSalit Apr 2023 #15
Oh tmi! Marthe48 Apr 2023 #20
It's a thought. 2naSalit Apr 2023 #25
The Piss on War Criminals Graves Tour!?? Brilliant! Alexander Of Assyria Apr 2023 #29
Kicking... nt Hotler Apr 2023 #8
"Money trumps peace." -- George w Bush, Feb14, 2007 Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #46
K & R for THIS malaise Apr 2023 #10
SECDEF Dick Cheney PRIVATIZED War in 1992. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #48
All of htem should be in prison malaise Apr 2023 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Apr 2023 #11
K & R +100 Duppers Apr 2023 #16
Remember Col. Ted Westhusing Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #50
That was a hell of a thread! Duppers Apr 2023 #53
Sickening ! Duppers Apr 2023 #62
Here's the link to that opinion piece.... xocetaceans Apr 2023 #17
Thank you! Goes back to Cheney's first boss, Poppy Bush. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #51
You're welcome. xocetaceans Apr 2023 #54
I will never let this go. GW Bush, Cheney, and others are WAR CRIMINALS Martin Eden Apr 2023 #18
Bet Texas Schoolbooks won't cover the PNAC chapter. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #52
These self serving greedy capitalist pigs always get away with it Cheezoholic Apr 2023 #19
It's the oil. They intend to monetize every drop. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #55
The Iraq war was premeditated mass murder sanatanadharma Apr 2023 #21
The Project for a New American Century Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #56
Haliburton* stock was looking very weak until Cheney got w to invade Iraq Botany Apr 2023 #22
Grrrrrrr! Meanwhile, his enablers investigated Hillary/Bengazi to no end and doing the same to KPN Apr 2023 #28
Cheney's Iraq War: No WMDs, no links to 9/11, it produced ISIS which caused one of the worst refugee Botany Apr 2023 #31
Horrific! That would instead be Cheney in a fair or ideal world. KPN Apr 2023 #34
And a % of the Fox News watching republicans still think that Saddam hid his WMDs. Botany Apr 2023 #36
So it was all worth it gratuitous Apr 2023 #37
Data show what happened. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #58
I won't ever forget hibbing Apr 2023 #23
"War Crimes are off the table" "We must look forward, not backward" NullTuples Apr 2023 #24
The crimes of tRump and syndicate are on the table now and no one important or sane is Alexander Of Assyria Apr 2023 #45
"We tortured some folks, People did not know whether more attacks were imminent. Autumn Apr 2023 #59
And that wasn't GW Bush, either. NullTuples Apr 2023 #60
No. It was Barack Obama Autumn Apr 2023 #61
i would imagine any potential charges would long have since been nullfiied by the statue of Takket Apr 2023 #26
"This grim figure supports the age-old adage that only the dead have seen the end of war." calimary Apr 2023 #30
Yes Snackshack Apr 2023 #32
And I still want an accounting for what was done to Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson DFW Apr 2023 #41
K&R Solly Mack Apr 2023 #47
After 2 deployments to Iraq, A dear friend ended up with a neurodegenerative disease caused tblue37 Apr 2023 #63
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