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In reply to the discussion: Criminal Investigations Still Needed for Architects of US Invasion of Iraq [View all]xocetaceans
(4,442 posts)Can you further delineate your statement so as to make it clear who you wish people here to hate?
And "the victims"? Who were "the victims" who were "groomed" in your opinion? It's pretty unlikely that an invasion counts as merely "grooming". (ChatGPT would be envious of the logic in your sentence.) It's also pretty clear that the country of Iraq was primarily victimized along with anyone directly affected by the war.
The "biggest war crime was manufacturing public consent"? Some might say that the ordering of an unjustified war (the commanding of the actual set of attacks that constituted the invasion) would have been the " 'Biggest' war crime...." But why be hyperbolic?
In spite of all of that you've written, what are YOU doing to get the US to join the "ICJ" to stop those war crimes...? No...wait...the ICJ? ...the International Court of Justice? Clearly, here you really meant the ICC, not the ICJ.
Here is a description of the the International Court of Justice:
The Court is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations. It was established by the United Nations Charter, which was signed in 1945 in San Francisco (United States), and began work in 1946 in the Peace Palace, The Hague (Netherlands).
The Court, which is composed of 15 judges, has a twofold role: first, to settle, in accordance with international law, legal disputes between States submitted to it by them and, second, to give advisory opinions on legal matters referred to it by duly authorized United Nations organs and specialized agencies.
The Court's official languages are English and French.
https://www.icj-cij.org/frequently-asked-questions
Here is a description of the distinction that you were missing:
The International Court of Justice has no jurisdiction to try individuals accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity. As it is not a criminal court, it does not have a prosecutor able to initiate proceedings.
This task is the preserve of national courts, the ad hoc criminal tribunals established by the United Nations (such as the International Residual Mechanism for Criminal Tribunals (IRMCT), mandated to take over residual functions from the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) and from the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR)) or in co-operation with it (such as the Special Court for Sierra Leone and the Special Tribunal for Lebanon), and also of the International Criminal Court, set up under the Rome Statute.
https://www.icj-cij.org/frequently-asked-questions
And here is a long, more extensive discussion of what the International Criminal Court does:
The ICC was created to bring justice to the worlds worst war criminals, but debate over the court still rages.
Written By
Claire Klobucista
Updated
Last updated March 28, 2022 2:00 pm (EST)
Summary
- The ICC seeks to investigate and prosecute those responsible for grave offenses such as genocide and war crimes.
- Dozens of countries are not ICC members, including China, India, Russia, and the United States.
- The court has angered nonmembers by launching probes into possible war crimes in Afghanistan, the Palestinian territories, and Ukraine.
Introduction
The International Criminal Court (ICC), established in 2002, seeks to hold to account those guilty of some of the worlds worst crimes. Champions of the court say it deters would-be war criminals, bolsters the rule of law, and offers justice to victims of atrocities. But, since its inception, the court has faced considerable setbacks. It has been unable to gain the support of major powers, including the United States, China, and Russia, who say it undermines national sovereignty. Two countries have withdrawn from the court, and many African governments complain that the court has singled out Africa. U.S. opposition to the ICC hardened under President Donald Trump, and although the Joe Biden administration has taken a more conciliatory approach, tensions remain.
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https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/role-international-criminal-court
But you closed well: "See how that works?"