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Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
51. They painted themselves into a corner...
Mon Apr 17, 2023, 02:31 PM
Apr 2023

Conservatives love to say that the media has a "liberal bias". To be completely fair and honest, liberalism is by far the dominant worldview and has been since the Enlightenment. The idea of taking in information, testing it against reality (what we can see, touch, taste, feel, etc...) and formulating ideas based on the rights of individuals balanced somewhat with the needs of society, is compelling. That is, unless you have a preconceived and long standing idea of what society should look like based on the monarchical systems of old. That second one is Conservatism.

Thing is, while both systems are not "natural" as Conservatives would have you believe their ideology and structure are, Liberalism tends to benefit most people in ways far superior to Conservatism (which favors the most powerful).

If you are a Conservative, you have already taken a rigid view of the world and you have tried to shoehorn information that does not comport to your worldview, or you have tried to reject it, in order for your world view to function.

Because Liberalism changes as the information on the ground changes, there is more flexibility in the mindset. While liberals do recognize difference in people, in terms of intelligence, strength, talents, etc... the balance is between rights and dignity, with the idea of meritocracy, where people are recognized for excellence. In conservatism, "excellence" is assumed by outcome (if you are wealthy, it is because you are worthy, even if you are scum like Donald Trump).

I disagree with what Marcotte says about "Fox has reshaped itself to appeal to its audiences ugliest desires..." Fox shaped and encouraged those ugliest desires and they did so for money and influence. They are not "victims" here. They absolutely knew what they were doing. When Roger Ailes proposed Fox to Murdoch, it was about money, but it was also in response to how Conservatism had just disgraced itself AGAIN with Nixon's debacle. Ailes and Pat Buchanan said, "Never again" and they were right, to a certain extent. Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., and Trump clearly broke the laws more than once, and have never been held accountable.

The problem with Conservatism is that once you start moving rightward and incorporating other extremist views (because you have to in order to maintain a coalition of non-wealthy people) you cannot stop. Fascists in Italy and Nazis in Germany realized it (too late). Right wingers here, have not learned that because they have not suffered the destruction and humiliation suffered in Germany and Italy during WWII.

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The GOP propaganda arm created a monster which now controls them. Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #1
Yep, you are correct. Eat it republicans. republianmushroom Apr 2023 #49
THIS!!☝️ onetexan Apr 2023 #64
Great. So the loons are not in the studio. They are my neighbors instead. bucolic_frolic Apr 2023 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2023 #4
There's no getting even as a class. There are only too few individuals to get justice, that and ... marble falls Apr 2023 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2023 #25
I think we'll at the very least see a more moderate Fox. But burning it down would sit OK with me. marble falls Apr 2023 #26
Save America! Do not settle! There is a higher calling! Alexander Of Assyria Apr 2023 #3
Fox News had a full page ad in the Washington Post today showing a poll proclaining them the most FSogol Apr 2023 #5
Is that supposed to be a joke? SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2023 #6
Not a joke. Full page ad on back of A section. n/t FSogol Apr 2023 #17
WP elling out its ethic for a few bucks? That really true? Wonder Why Apr 2023 #8
Just posted a screenshot below BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #14
it's probably true NJCher Apr 2023 #35
It could have also read BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #39
My immediate question to that claim would be "trusted by whom?" calimary Apr 2023 #62
Ads are ads. Newspapers don't pick sides on selling ad space. Outright lies are perfectly FSogol Apr 2023 #18
The Surpreme Court ruled Fox had no obligation to tell the truth. marble falls Apr 2023 #28
Please homegirl Apr 2023 #52
Oooops. I vaguely remember that being being posted here in the early 2000's ... marble falls Apr 2023 #54
But WP needs the ethics to not accept it - even in ads or put a disclaimer as a minimum. Wonder Why Apr 2023 #58
Freedom of expression includes the freedom to lie. Mariana Apr 2023 #63
The problem is there are exceptions: an oath for example, or 'truth in advertising', one can ... marble falls Apr 2023 #65
Ewww... BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #13
Thanks for posting that. While some here want to bash WAPO over it, it just shows the sad state of FSogol Apr 2023 #19
YW BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #20
59% do not trust The Wizard Apr 2023 #36
YouGov is a UK polling org. WP is requesting the data on the poll LiberalArkie Apr 2023 #55
LOL BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #57
You gov isn't any RW poller per se, but Fox DID commission the poll. marble falls Apr 2023 #27
I can imagine that they gamed the poll too BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #31
you don't have to imagine it NJCher Apr 2023 #37
I remember way back in the '70s BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #44
Notice it doesn't say they are trusted for truth Ohioboy Apr 2023 #48
In the 1970s GOP politicians controlled their voters, now they are their voters Johonny Apr 2023 #7
Exactly, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2023 #33
and they just keep doing it NJCher Apr 2023 #38
That's such a good point. The new breed of RW politicians are products of fox/RW propaganda erronis Apr 2023 #50
The GOP does have a history of electing irredeemably corrupt crooks IronLionZion Apr 2023 #9
Read "Untouchable" by Elie Honig. AngryOldDem Apr 2023 #16
Elie was interviewed by Preet Bahara NJCher Apr 2023 #40
Actually, I got my books confused. AngryOldDem Apr 2023 #45
So, does this mean Fox news is blameless? jaxexpat Apr 2023 #10
No, just that history repeats itself. shrike3 Apr 2023 #24
my friend the criminologist says the same NJCher Apr 2023 #42
Excellent analogy. Dateline is one of my guilty pleasures. shrike3 Apr 2023 #46
I have been saying this ITAL Apr 2023 #11
The very name "Fox News" is a blatant violation of the Truth in Advertising Act. n/t DFW Apr 2023 #12
Yep. They've got loonier competition now. AngryOldDem Apr 2023 #15
It was inevidible: Sow the clouds, reap the whirlwinds. marble falls Apr 2023 #21
Not surprised that the inmates are in charge of the prison ... aggiesal Apr 2023 #23
I LOOK forward to their FAILURE YoshidaYui Apr 2023 #29
The TeaParty fiasco was driven in large part by Faux - the QWhackadoodles have since taken control. NoMoreRepugs Apr 2023 #30
exclusive photo of Rupert Murdoch confronting his volatile viewers Bucky Apr 2023 #32
Poor Rupert. AngryOldDem Apr 2023 #41
🤣 NJCher Apr 2023 #43
A settlement The Wizard Apr 2023 #34
They haven't lost control if the bobble heads are still watching SouthernDem4ever Apr 2023 #47
They painted themselves into a corner... Caliman73 Apr 2023 #51
They can't lie to themselves RANDYWILDMAN Apr 2023 #53
I don't watched Fox. Am not even curious about their opinions. pwb Apr 2023 #56
It should be noted that the goals are the same? NullTuples Apr 2023 #59
fux gnewz created the monster. now its feral. pansypoo53219 Apr 2023 #60
FNC trained it's audience to believe their lies. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2023 #61
I just found this when looking at Marcy Wheeler's stuff (she had retweeted) BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #66
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