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MineralMan

(151,387 posts)
23. The establishment clause prevents the government from
Mon Apr 17, 2023, 03:30 PM
Apr 2023

creating a state religion and discriminating against other religions. That has nothing to do with a Mosque calling people to worship in its traditional way. It also has nothing to do with bells ringing in churches or people preaching in the public square.

Hearing a bell or call to prayer does not infringe on your right to worship in your own way or have no religious beliefs at all.

I believe that people should be able to believe any damned thing they're able to believe, as long as they don't insist that I believe as they do. That's also in the First Amendment, along with the anti-establishment clause. You have to have the whole thing. The government cannot ban religious worship in whatever form it might take, as long as there is no material harm to others.

Hearing a call to prayer does not cause any actual harm. It might be annoying to some, but there is no right not to be annoyed at what others do.

If the church bells can ring, the call to prayer can take place, as well. That's because the Constitution protects us from a government sponsored and official religion. That's the purpose of the First Amendment, not only to protect the non-religious. It protects us all. The government doesn't get to decide for its citizens what and how they should worship, if they choose to do so.

As an avowed atheist, I feel strongly that all positions having to do with religion should be treated the same. Mine, and those of those who do have some sort of religious beliefs. Everyone gets to do as they please with regard to that, as long as nobody is harmed.

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Although I'm an atheist, this makes me happy. LakeArenal Apr 2023 #1
so is broadcasting beer commercials 5X a day ok too? nt msongs Apr 2023 #2
No thanks. edisdead Apr 2023 #3
Always thought an actual individual in the minaret calling to prayer would be quaint. Arthur_Frain Apr 2023 #17
i hope this is only audible in areas of people that actually want to hear it Takket Apr 2023 #4
This violates people's right to freedom FROM religion. roamer65 Apr 2023 #5
Exactly. One part of being a good neighbor means not Abolishinist Apr 2023 #6
This is an excellent test of who's truly woke and who ain't. MineralMan Apr 2023 #7
I see it more a test of who doesn't care if they awaken their neighbors Abolishinist Apr 2023 #8
Think about it. MineralMan Apr 2023 #9
I see where some might be confused about what I wrote. So to be clear, Abolishinist Apr 2023 #14
I'm not confused at all. MineralMan Apr 2023 #20
First of all, I think we can agree that it is extremely unusual for an avowed atheist to Abolishinist Apr 2023 #21
The establishment clause prevents the government from MineralMan Apr 2023 #23
The Establishment Clause prohibits the government from privileging religious messages. Abolishinist Apr 2023 #26
Your issue, not mine. MineralMan Apr 2023 #27
Fortunately, at least for those of us concerned with the separation of church and state, Abolishinist Apr 2023 #28
That's not a surprising position for them to take. MineralMan Apr 2023 #30
lol this fuckin thread WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2023 #10
How about other religions ? What if someone of another religion decided to use the loudspeaker JI7 Apr 2023 #11
I want to hear a symphonic contest between The Church That Hates Beef vs The Church That Hates Pork dalton99a Apr 2023 #12
Sure. Have you never been in a public place where some street preacher MineralMan Apr 2023 #24
5 x a day every day Meowmee Apr 2023 #13
+1. But people who don't own alarm clocks have rights too dalton99a Apr 2023 #15
Lol Meowmee Apr 2023 #16
They need to make an app for that. Those prayer calls can be very loud. Also why is this needed GuppyGal Apr 2023 #18
But there are so many apps to choose from - and many people can't afford a Walmart cellphone dalton99a Apr 2023 #19
They do make apps for that. MineralMan Apr 2023 #25
This Should RobinA Apr 2023 #22
Now Satanic Temple of Seattle wants prayer time on the 50-yard line, too Celerity Apr 2023 #29
Good intentions but no thank you renate Apr 2023 #31
ugh. not everyone goes to bed at nine or ten and gets up at the crack of dawn orleans Apr 2023 #32
Apparently there are many to choose from, see post #19. Abolishinist Apr 2023 #33
I agree with Abolutionist upthread - two words for this: harumph Apr 2023 #34
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