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Abolishinist

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28. Fortunately, at least for those of us concerned with the separation of church and state,
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 02:12 PM
Apr 2023

it's also an issue for the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

"Multiple concerned residents have informed the state/church watchdog that the city of Minneapolis has altered its noise violation statute to allow religious organizations, including churches and mosques, to broadcast bells, chimes and amplified messages at all hours of the day. While the statute ostensibly allows any religious group to disturb their community with noises that would be impermissible if not related to religious purposes, it’s clear this change was made to specifically allow mosques to broadcast an amplified call to prayer as early as 3:30 a.m. and as late as 11 p.m. The change was pushed for by local mosques and Muslims and, tellingly, the ordinance was signed into law inside Dar Al-Hijrah Mosque.

Under the city’s statutory revision, religious messages may be broadcast at any time of day, even the middle of the night, solely because they are religious in nature. Furthermore, this revision was done for the purpose of privileging the call to prayer, which provides a benefit uniquely to the Muslim community. This is not neutrality but is instead an imposition of one religious view and message onto all community members, FFRF contends.

It is also worth pointing out that, rather than uniting Minneapolis’ diverse community, allowing religious organizations to disturb residents in the middle of the night with amplified calls to prayer alienates the nonreligious. Muslims make up just 1 percent of Minneapolis' Hennepin County residents while 30 percent of Hennepin County residents are religiously unaffiliated. It should be noted, too, that in our modern age of cellphones, alarm clocks, and all manner of digital devices, broadcasting a loud, amplified message to an entire community in order to facilitate the religious practices of a select group of members of that community is not only unnecessary, but unreasonable.

In order to respect the constitutional rights of the Minneapolis residents who will be negatively affected by amplified calls to prayer, FFRF asks that the city rescind the changes to Minneapolis’ noise ordinance and treat religion neutrally — with neither hostility nor favoritism."

https://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item/42202-rescind-religiously-slanted-noise-ordinance-ffrf-insists-to-minneapolis

"Ron Reagan, lifelong atheist, not afraid of burning in hell"

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Although I'm an atheist, this makes me happy. LakeArenal Apr 2023 #1
so is broadcasting beer commercials 5X a day ok too? nt msongs Apr 2023 #2
No thanks. edisdead Apr 2023 #3
Always thought an actual individual in the minaret calling to prayer would be quaint. Arthur_Frain Apr 2023 #17
i hope this is only audible in areas of people that actually want to hear it Takket Apr 2023 #4
This violates people's right to freedom FROM religion. roamer65 Apr 2023 #5
Exactly. One part of being a good neighbor means not Abolishinist Apr 2023 #6
This is an excellent test of who's truly woke and who ain't. MineralMan Apr 2023 #7
I see it more a test of who doesn't care if they awaken their neighbors Abolishinist Apr 2023 #8
Think about it. MineralMan Apr 2023 #9
I see where some might be confused about what I wrote. So to be clear, Abolishinist Apr 2023 #14
I'm not confused at all. MineralMan Apr 2023 #20
First of all, I think we can agree that it is extremely unusual for an avowed atheist to Abolishinist Apr 2023 #21
The establishment clause prevents the government from MineralMan Apr 2023 #23
The Establishment Clause prohibits the government from privileging religious messages. Abolishinist Apr 2023 #26
Your issue, not mine. MineralMan Apr 2023 #27
Fortunately, at least for those of us concerned with the separation of church and state, Abolishinist Apr 2023 #28
That's not a surprising position for them to take. MineralMan Apr 2023 #30
lol this fuckin thread WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2023 #10
How about other religions ? What if someone of another religion decided to use the loudspeaker JI7 Apr 2023 #11
I want to hear a symphonic contest between The Church That Hates Beef vs The Church That Hates Pork dalton99a Apr 2023 #12
Sure. Have you never been in a public place where some street preacher MineralMan Apr 2023 #24
5 x a day every day Meowmee Apr 2023 #13
+1. But people who don't own alarm clocks have rights too dalton99a Apr 2023 #15
Lol Meowmee Apr 2023 #16
They need to make an app for that. Those prayer calls can be very loud. Also why is this needed GuppyGal Apr 2023 #18
But there are so many apps to choose from - and many people can't afford a Walmart cellphone dalton99a Apr 2023 #19
They do make apps for that. MineralMan Apr 2023 #25
This Should RobinA Apr 2023 #22
Now Satanic Temple of Seattle wants prayer time on the 50-yard line, too Celerity Apr 2023 #29
Good intentions but no thank you renate Apr 2023 #31
ugh. not everyone goes to bed at nine or ten and gets up at the crack of dawn orleans Apr 2023 #32
Apparently there are many to choose from, see post #19. Abolishinist Apr 2023 #33
I agree with Abolutionist upthread - two words for this: harumph Apr 2023 #34
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