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ancianita

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14. Because there is this finding to complicate the curtailment of 2A policies in red states. And so
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 01:35 PM
Apr 2023

what those states produce are culture war policies. I'm pretty sure that people do realize the problem is real in red states; the 7 million who voted for Biden pay attention to the denials and silence around red state behavior and values (which is why a few red states are growing purple).

Below is not a be-all/end-all claim, but it is a review of studies about guns and death levels, which likely (no one knows for a fact) are used to justify the "shrug" policies about AR's and mass shootings. I'm not endorsing this, just bringing it to folks' attention.

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/concealed-carry/violent-crime.html

it is not possible to reach any scientifically supported conclusion because of (a) the sensitivity of the empirical results to seemingly minor changes in model specification, (b) a lack of robustness of the results to the inclusion of more recent years of data (during which there were many more law changes than in the earlier period), and (c) the statistical imprecision of the results. The evidence to date does not adequately indicate either the sign or the magnitude of a causal link between the passage of right-to-carry laws and crime rates. Furthermore, this uncertainty is not likely to be resolved with the existing data and methods. If further headway is to be made, in the committee's judgment, new analytical approaches and data are needed (p. 7).




Data are interpretable, dismissable, deniable. Rethugs will not talk to us because, as their 'enemy,' talking to our side legitimizes us.

Re guns or anything else, I'm thinking that we know that our political differences about the value of human life are at the core of all our political differences. Again, We know this. Rethugs pretend not to know this.

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So Why Isn't This Being Reported In MSM?..... global1 Apr 2023 #1
Fox News dominates MSM and spews their crap 7x24 and is the most listed to network. RKP5637 Apr 2023 #2
It's not just Fox DENVERPOPS Apr 2023 #9
Yes, this is very accurate! I wish there were a way to help people become more introspective. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2023 #12
I've often wondered why MSM KS Toronado Apr 2023 #11
Because there is this finding to complicate the curtailment of 2A policies in red states. And so ancianita Apr 2023 #14
Thus confirming that the more lax or worshipfull laws are about guns, the more they are used sanatanadharma Apr 2023 #3
Logical outcome of the guns everywhere for everyone policy. scarletlib Apr 2023 #4
Don't forget 'Stand Your Ground' laws that encourage people to use them... Wounded Bear Apr 2023 #6
True. scarletlib Apr 2023 #16
Crime and Law enforcement are managed on a local level, not statewide MichMan Apr 2023 #5
Of course a governor is responsible for crime and violence in cities f_townsend Apr 2023 #19
What about Democratic governors? MichMan Apr 2023 #23
Has Whitmer worked with the gun lobby to make it a cinch for criminals and psychos to get guns? f_townsend Apr 2023 #24
Jim Webb's book "Born Fighting" has a good explanation... albacore Apr 2023 #7
So does Joe Bageant's essay "Drink, Pray, Fuck, Fight" DinahMoeHum Apr 2023 #8
Bageant's stuff is more fun to read. albacore Apr 2023 #13
Yeah, I miss him so bad. DinahMoeHum Apr 2023 #22
Details at: https://www.nationhoodlab.org/the-geography-of-u-s-gun-violence/ Dorn Apr 2023 #10
Interesting the solid blue moonscape Apr 2023 #21
There's more gun deaths where they love guns more? Iggo Apr 2023 #15
Would it be possible for our side to mention this occasionally? senseandsensibility Apr 2023 #17
There are "strategists" in the Democratic party who I'm convinced are GOP moles f_townsend Apr 2023 #20
Red States have more mass shootings than Blue States LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2023 #18
Those stats are a good enough reason for SCOTUS to block blue state gun control laws NullTuples Apr 2023 #25
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