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Ms. Toad

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39. The jury did no apply the standard necessary to find him guilty.

Tue May 9, 2023, 07:44 PM

May 2023

The standard for a conviction is beyond a reasonable doubt. The civil standard is preponderance of the evidence.

I'm absolutely thrilled with her victory. It takes nothing away from it to to avoid using alternate facts when speaking about it.

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Why I won't join in with the cheering that Trump is "Guilty" of "Rape". [View all] brooklynite May 2023 OP

Hi there. sprinkleeninow May 2023 #1

There are different ways to get the whole salami. One is one slice at a time. We're getting the ... marble falls May 2023 #2

And we'll let someone else handle messaging BeyondGeography May 2023 #3

Thank you. I've been ranting about exactly this Ocelot II May 2023 #4

I'm just glad it's not my turn today Effete Snob May 2023 #9

You want to take over? Ocelot II May 2023 #10

I appreciate the precision of both of you. emulatorloo May 2023 #21

Naw... Effete Snob May 2023 #22

The amusing thing is that the OP... TwilightZone May 2023 #29

The good news is that he now officially a "convicted sexual abuser". Funtatlaguy May 2023 #5

He is not officially a *convicted* sexual abuser. He's a *liable* sexual abuser. Ocelot II May 2023 #8

I had to explain this to my husband Mossfern May 2023 #23

No, he is not. Ms. Toad May 2023 #31

Outside of a New York courtroom, what he did is widely understood to be rape unblock May 2023 #6

Thank you.. whathehell May 2023 #25

Guilty - no. Ms. Toad May 2023 #34

No, "guilty" is not exclusively a legal term. unblock May 2023 #42

Context is everything. Ms. Toad May 2023 #51

Fair point. Personally I'm fine with calling him a rapist unblock May 2023 #56

Fine by me. Ms. Toad May 2023 #57

Good for you. Chainfire May 2023 #7

"When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said... 'it means just what I choose it to mean Ocelot II May 2023 #13

I am not at all interested in treating Trump fairly. Chainfire May 2023 #19

Got.Your.Back ProfessorGAC May 2023 #26

Me too. llmart May 2023 #44

Sounds like the DU version of alternative facts. n/t Ms. Toad May 2023 #36

+1 Celerity May 2023 #45

Donald Trump is a rapist. End of story. Tarc May 2023 #11

I agree wholeheartedly with your position regarding specificity of language. rsdsharp May 2023 #12

No problem. I'll cheer enough for both of us. 11 Bravo May 2023 #14

Agreed. But some of us are sticklers about accuracy, and some of us aren't Hugh_Lebowski May 2023 #15

Weird issue to be angry and condescending about. ecstatic May 2023 #16

I am cheering! I have to take my pleasure where I find it. Chainfire May 2023 #20

I had the same thought edhopper May 2023 #50

Really tired of all the maptap22 May 2023 #17

He's not guilty legally but Elessar Zappa May 2023 #18

The magic R beside his name means more than republican. Emile May 2023 #24

Pointless Pedantry ProfessorGAC May 2023 #27

If it's pointless pedantry, Ms. Toad May 2023 #37

Sexual abuse, not sexual assault. TwilightZone May 2023 #28

I don't agree. He was found to have sexually abused her, which in turn boston bean May 2023 #30

Actually, NY's definition, sexual intercourse required, is still very common Hortensis May 2023 #38

The jury did no apply the standard necessary to find him guilty. Ms. Toad May 2023 #39

I can say he is guilty of rape. boston bean May 2023 #43

You can say it, Ms. Toad May 2023 #46

Quibble away. I do not care. boston bean May 2023 #47

You are not alone in this. BlackSkimmer May 2023 #40

I am cheering that he is *liable* for *sexual assault*. Tommy Carcetti May 2023 #32

Thanks. I like to thing one of the attributes of Democrats... LAS14 May 2023 #33

On the other hand.... LAS14 May 2023 #35

:) Me too, and agree. They lacked sufficient evidence to convict on Hortensis May 2023 #41

Which is why I'll still call him a rapist. llmart May 2023 #54

Mere semantics in the grand scheme of things as they are. GoodRaisin May 2023 #48

Media is reporting that tfg had been found liable Kaleva May 2023 #49

Thank you for standing up for nuance & specificity in a world that doesn't respect it Bucky May 2023 #52

Good luck on that grantcart May 2023 #53

I wish he could be labeled as a sexual offender..Nt helpisontheway May 2023 #55