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In reply to the discussion: I want to leave Florida. It ain't that easy [View all]GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)130. It's happening - and your parent's friend would have agreed with the following:
"Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, 'regretted,' that unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these 'little measures'... must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing - each act is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join you in resisting somehow.
You don't want to act, or even talk, alone; you don't want to 'go out of your way to make trouble.' But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That's the difficulty. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves, when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things your father could never have imagined."
From Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1933-45 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955)
And she could have seen and drawn the parallels with what is happening in Florida right now.
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It's called a Palmetto Bug and we don't consider them roaches even though they are. They do fly.
Lochloosa
May 2023
#134
Florida will survive DeSantis just as it survives every other storm that passes through it.
BlackSkimmer
May 2023
#4
Exactly. Been here since 1955 except for a 12 year stint in Appalachia and 4 years in Indiana back
dameatball
May 2023
#38
DeSantis is just the latest wannabee. The real question is, "Will FL survive Republican fascism?"
Cyrano
May 2023
#72
Numerous gay pride events have already canceled because of fear over the new laws
Marius25
May 2023
#70
You might be surprised to learn how man actual Nazis live in North Florida
RegulatedCapitalistD
May 2023
#59
I wouldn't be surprised to learn how many "actual Nazis" live in any state.
BlackSkimmer
May 2023
#67
I lived in Gainesville FL when Unite the Right had their Charlottesville follow-up rally
carpetbagger
May 2023
#120
The changes are in small increments so you don't really notice. Then they reach a tipping point.
diva77
May 2023
#124
It's happening - and your parent's friend would have agreed with the following:
GoneOffShore
May 2023
#130
Careful with Oregon (and many other states). Only the coast is somewhat liberal.
erronis
May 2023
#80
We should start a Project to begin helping people abandon Florida.. Refugees...
RegulatedCapitalistD
May 2023
#24
I LOVED Florida for DECADES.... I moved to and then married a Floridian
RegulatedCapitalistD
May 2023
#58
There is something that divides and rules over us that NC doesn't have
Lady Freedom Returns
May 2023
#105
My family have been in Florida for 125 years. I hope that one day, the Republicans
Chainfire
May 2023
#32
Sigh...as someone who has family from either side of the Mason Dixon
RegulatedCapitalistD
May 2023
#35
They wear the hats, wave their kind of flags and signs, so that they can identify
chowder66
May 2023
#42
Moved out of Akron area in 2016, still working election protection for Ohio.
we can do it
May 2023
#115
"The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence." Wherever one thinks they want to
TeamProg
May 2023
#64
Many here responded to the OP by focusing on Florida heat, humidity, hurricanes, bugs, etc.
Cyrano
May 2023
#82
We auctioned everything we own and moved to Costa Rica sight unseen. Never a visit beforehand.
LakeArenal
May 2023
#136
Excellent advice, thanks! The only thing that would turn me off is snow.
Pacifist Patriot
May 2023
#177
That's a question active Dems in FL like myself have been struggling with for decades.
Pacifist Patriot
May 2023
#166