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Buns_of_Fire

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30. And especially when you have a dipshit CEO who doesn't

Thu Jun 22, 2023, 10:39 AM

Jun 2023

really think that safety is all that important.

OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush, whose Titan submersible took tourists down to see the seafloor wreck of the RMS Titanic, once told a reporter that "at some point, safety is just pure waste."

Now that sub — with Rush and four other people reportedly on board — is missing during an expedition to the Titanic wreckage.

In a November 2022 episode of CBS journalist David Pogue's "Unsung Science" podcast, Rush discussed the Titan sub's mechanics and build.

He said there was a "limit" to safety, telling Pogue: "You know, at some point, safety is just pure waste. I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed, don't get in your car, don't do anything. At some point, you're going to take some risk, and it really is a risk-reward question."

https://www.insider.com/missing-titanic-sub-ceo-told-reporter-safety-pure-waste-2023-6

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Life-saving equipment for Titanic sub search caught in red tape, Explorers Club says [View all] Effete Snob Jun 2023 OP

Looks like there shoulda been MORE 'red tape' EYESORE 9001 Jun 2023 #1

Absolutely! K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2023 #4

Hate to say this, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2023 #2

Yes. People need to adjust their terminology as we're in a different phase now and likely have been. LonePirate Jun 2023 #12

Or else the vessel's structure failed suddenly under the pressure of the water Ocelot II Jun 2023 #35

Yep, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2023 #36

It is the other edge of the big gubberment sword. Hugin Jun 2023 #3

self-imposed emergency WhiteTara Jun 2023 #5

This nt XanaDUer2 Jun 2023 #6

That's a bs attack, imho..... getagrip_already Jun 2023 #10

I believe that you have misunderstood my thought. Hugin Jun 2023 #16

I read your post and the one you're replying to as saying the same thing. yardwork Jun 2023 #18

These people might have been alive if there had been some "red tape" ensuring safety RAB910 Jun 2023 #7

Rich entitled jerks looking to blame everyone and everything Buns_of_Fire Jun 2023 #8

In this case, maybe an AI would have helped, because the humans were overpowered Baitball Blogger Jun 2023 #9

At this point I'm thinking we should hand AI over to the orcas and Maru Kitteh Jun 2023 #27

There's an actual "Explorer's Club"? Deep State Witch Jun 2023 #11

or off the back of a kids' cereal box! nt TxGuitar Jun 2023 #13

I'm awaiting my secret decoder watch. nt ;-) Ilsa Jun 2023 #26

It literally is obamanut2012 Jun 2023 #37

Josh Gates is a member & had a Discovery Channel show, "Tales from the Explorers Club" last year Taylor Picker Jun 2023 #65

Incorporated 1905, per their website. Igel Jun 2023 #81

... Faux pas Jun 2023 #14

You do realize that the paying passengers aren't US citizens? MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2023 #21

I do Faux pas Jun 2023 #76

my thoughts eggzachery onethatcares Jun 2023 #24

... Faux pas Jun 2023 #77

Are there any Americans onboard? Nt XanaDUer2 Jun 2023 #15

No obamanut2012 Jun 2023 #39

Ah XanaDUer2 Jun 2023 #41

The CEO is American treestar Jun 2023 #61

He is on board sarisataka Jun 2023 #67

only too true, and given his treestar Jun 2023 #71

Blaming the government they didn't want interfering in the first place. yardwork Jun 2023 #17

And a government that has no real responsibility to assist.... getagrip_already Jun 2023 #19

...which is probably way smaller than that at this point, if it imploded. yardwork Jun 2023 #20

That's my hope for them as well. Hugin Jun 2023 #25

Yep. n/t Hugin Jun 2023 #22

That's really the risk you take when you do something so niche like this sboatcar Jun 2023 #23

And especially when you have a dipshit CEO who doesn't Buns_of_Fire Jun 2023 #30

Reward NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #33

Even if the dive had gone without a hitch, Buns_of_Fire Jun 2023 #42

We will never understand the bragging rights of malaise Jun 2023 #47

Yachts NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #59

From the video I saw though, the toilet is right next to the window sboatcar Jun 2023 #58

Some guy who's been on the Titan said there was no bathroom..."we used bottles." nt allegorical oracle Jun 2023 #62

And Ill have a snowybirdie Jun 2023 #28

We can do both, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2023 #29

Silence for the innocents snowybirdie Jun 2023 #31

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2023 #34

Feel bad for the 19-year-old kid obamanut2012 Jun 2023 #40

He's an adult. we can do it Jun 2023 #64

I'll blame the submersible company and "explorers," but I wouldn't totally discount Silent Type Jun 2023 #32

It's not "turf protection", it's procedure. bluesbassman Jun 2023 #45

Sorry, I've worked around "procedure" often. And sometimes, "procedure" ain't the best/right way. Silent Type Jun 2023 #50

You ever serve in the military? bluesbassman Jun 2023 #55

Military is a great place to practice following blind/flawed procedure. Good luck to your son. Silent Type Jun 2023 #56

So no, sarisataka Jun 2023 #68

Like 93+% of population. But I did work for government. Great job, except for flawed "procedures." Silent Type Jun 2023 #72

I see, so you have no military experience and worked in an office for "the government". bluesbassman Jun 2023 #85

Ah, a good "yes" man. Didn't badmouth CG, my preferred branch of military actually because they Silent Type Jun 2023 #86

If there was enough risk they might have needed recovery equipment- haele Jun 2023 #49

Why the hell didn't the thing have an EPIRB? Ocelot II Jun 2023 #38

You could toss a damned air tag in it and it would be something obamanut2012 Jun 2023 #43

EPIRBs are for surface vessels. sl8 Jun 2023 #46

Some EPIRBs are activated if they get wet. I would assume that the submarine version Ocelot II Jun 2023 #48

The ones I'm familar with are designed to float free of the ship when it sinks. sl8 Jun 2023 #54

If the structure failed the beacon might float to the surface. Ocelot II Jun 2023 #57

. Effete Snob Jun 2023 #66

That's why EPIRBs float. Ocelot II Jun 2023 #79

Then I don't see the point Effete Snob Jun 2023 #82

I heard a past passenger (and current investor) the company.., bluesbassman Jun 2023 #52

It may have worked Effete Snob Jun 2023 #69

That's a good point. bluesbassman Jun 2023 #75

Good point. That's just one of many aspects of this misadventure calimary Jun 2023 #84

You nailed it malaise Jun 2023 #44

Does it require sending people down there ? JI7 Jun 2023 #51

I think it's too deep for divers - it would have to be another submersible. Ocelot II Jun 2023 #53

They are trying to say that more government treestar Jun 2023 #60

Yes, this calls for a market-based solution Effete Snob Jun 2023 #73

Fuck these libertarian assholes. I have zero sympathy and not sorry. we can do it Jun 2023 #63

I think keeping more people from getting killed Here is the priority. ZonkerHarris Jun 2023 #70

Debris field Johnny2X2X Jun 2023 #74

Completely unsurprising sarisataka Jun 2023 #80

They were on their way to see a debris field, yes. Effete Snob Jun 2023 #83

agreed. libertarians are the worst Recycle_Guru Jun 2023 #78