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In reply to the discussion: PSA - If you enroll in Medicare Advantage, you could be stuck for life [View all]Celerity
(53,462 posts)47. Medicare Advantage Is a Massive Scam
The program rips off both the taxpayer and its own enrollees.
https://prospect.org/health/medicare-advantage-is-a-massive-scam/

If youve ever watched cable news, where the average viewer is in their late sixties, youve probably seen an advertisement for a Medicare Advantage plan. They usually star some washed-up celebrity whose career peaked right around when todays retirees were young adults (think Jimmy Walker or Joe Namath). And they always make a lot of big promises about how great Medicare Advantage coverage is. Theres just one problem: The sales pitch is an abject lie. Medicare Advantage is much worse than traditional Medicare for people on the program and costs a great deal more to boot. But unless the Biden administration changes course, private companies will soon devour the rest of the program.
Medicare Advantage plans are typically a combination of Medigap plans, which cover services not included in the government plan like vision and dental, plus a privatized version of traditional Medicare. About 28 million American seniors are now on Advantage plans, or about 40 percent of the whole program. As Barbara Caress explains in the Prospect, it was set up back in the late 1990s as a way for those wonderful private insurance companies we all know and love to work their free-market magic on one corner of the system America carved out as publicly run. Once we got business involved, surely the quality of coverage would improve and costs would go down, right?
The problem with this logic, as people realized even back in the glory days of neoliberalism, is that there are a lot of perverse financial incentives in health insurance, particularly when it comes to seniors. Half the reason the government set up Medicare in the first place was that as people reach the end of life, they tend to become sick and require more treatment than they can personally afford. In the pre-Medicare days, private companies did all they could to keep them off the insurance rolls.
Introducing the profit motive into Medicare has led to considerable hoop-jumping just to prevent such cravenness. For instance, if the government were to calculate the average per-person cost of Medicare and pay private companies that much per enrollee, companies would scramble to snap up all the younger, healthier seniors with relatively few problems, and cream off some easy profits. As Matt Bruenig explains, thats why the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services maintains a gigantic database of every single one of the roughly 64 million Medicare enrollees, and assigns them all a risk score based on their demographic and health characteristics. Advantage companies then get paid, in theory at least, according to how sick their risk pools are.
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https://prospect.org/health/medicare-advantage-is-a-massive-scam/

If youve ever watched cable news, where the average viewer is in their late sixties, youve probably seen an advertisement for a Medicare Advantage plan. They usually star some washed-up celebrity whose career peaked right around when todays retirees were young adults (think Jimmy Walker or Joe Namath). And they always make a lot of big promises about how great Medicare Advantage coverage is. Theres just one problem: The sales pitch is an abject lie. Medicare Advantage is much worse than traditional Medicare for people on the program and costs a great deal more to boot. But unless the Biden administration changes course, private companies will soon devour the rest of the program.
Medicare Advantage plans are typically a combination of Medigap plans, which cover services not included in the government plan like vision and dental, plus a privatized version of traditional Medicare. About 28 million American seniors are now on Advantage plans, or about 40 percent of the whole program. As Barbara Caress explains in the Prospect, it was set up back in the late 1990s as a way for those wonderful private insurance companies we all know and love to work their free-market magic on one corner of the system America carved out as publicly run. Once we got business involved, surely the quality of coverage would improve and costs would go down, right?
The problem with this logic, as people realized even back in the glory days of neoliberalism, is that there are a lot of perverse financial incentives in health insurance, particularly when it comes to seniors. Half the reason the government set up Medicare in the first place was that as people reach the end of life, they tend to become sick and require more treatment than they can personally afford. In the pre-Medicare days, private companies did all they could to keep them off the insurance rolls.
Introducing the profit motive into Medicare has led to considerable hoop-jumping just to prevent such cravenness. For instance, if the government were to calculate the average per-person cost of Medicare and pay private companies that much per enrollee, companies would scramble to snap up all the younger, healthier seniors with relatively few problems, and cream off some easy profits. As Matt Bruenig explains, thats why the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services maintains a gigantic database of every single one of the roughly 64 million Medicare enrollees, and assigns them all a risk score based on their demographic and health characteristics. Advantage companies then get paid, in theory at least, according to how sick their risk pools are.
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PSA - If you enroll in Medicare Advantage, you could be stuck for life [View all]
DemBlue76
Jul 2023
OP
It is mainly random for many because it is the individual doing the shopping.
LiberalFighter
Jul 2023
#129
They were simply part of the article and were included for illustrative reasons to show the
Celerity
Jul 2023
#153
Initially tried out a couple of "advantage" plans. Problem I had with them is that
allegorical oracle
Jul 2023
#119
The reason Advantage is so cheap and seemingly good now is they want to bankrupt Medicare
Eliot Rosewater
Jul 2023
#195
That was a dumb statement. Keep in mind they get paid for what they sell you.
True Blue American
Jul 2023
#143
Definitely need to consider, especially if you can afford an extra $200 to $300
Silent Type
Jul 2023
#4
Yep. Never have been able to afford Medigap insurance. Especially since our property
allegorical oracle
Jul 2023
#158
Yes, that's my understanding. I have a Medigap policy with original Medicare.
Lonestarblue
Jul 2023
#26
I've had a Medicare Advantage plan for 10 years now & it's working just fine for me.
elocs
Jul 2023
#15
He also signed the Telecommunications Act of 1996 (that ushered in corporate consolidation
Celerity
Jul 2023
#33
Indeed! And she lead the charge to reform national healthcare that lost by just 2 votes I believe.
keopeli
Jul 2023
#39
Her plan was actually pretty good for time. But there was a lot of opposition.
Silent Type
Jul 2023
#85
the Fairness Doctrine doesn't apply to cable, and Fox News did not launch until October 7, 1996
Celerity
Jul 2023
#79
Hmm. I stand corrected. Hopefully, I'll remember what it is I'm thinking about.
keopeli
Jul 2023
#82
Precisely why for-profit MEDICAL insurance is inherently self serving and awful.
Vdizzle
Jul 2023
#63
If you want to stop people from taking advantage of something good for them,
Silent Type
Jul 2023
#83
Of course...but whether insurance is private or Medicare, fraud exists. nt
Trueblue Texan
Jul 2023
#109
Thanks so much! I learned the facts from Thom Hartmann (here on DU) as well!
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2023
#24
yep. Husband was a federal employee, kept his group fed coverage when Medicare kicked in
Attilatheblond
Jul 2023
#50
Not to mention, this "Advantage" is not Medicare, but they fail to say that in the constant ads!
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2023
#23
According to the ads, the "plans" are all local, depending on where you live.
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2023
#52
And, according to Thom Hartmann, many are scams, which has been documented on this thread:
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2023
#98
We need a universal health care plan like they have in so many other countries
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2023
#100
Not even close. It partially covers doctors' visits, but not dental or prescriptions
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2023
#104
Universal means everyone is covered, not that no one ever has to ever pay anything
MichMan
Jul 2023
#118
I'm glad you were helped, but many are scams, which has been documented on this thread:
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2023
#184
Thanks for the 411. Passed it along to family and will keep in mind as my retirement is 4yrs away.
TheBlackAdder
Jul 2023
#45
If you do get accepted for a Medigap policy after first being on Medicare Advantage
slightlv
Jul 2023
#53
This was GW Bush's contribution when he discovered he couldn't kill them outright. n/t
slightlv
Jul 2023
#62
Generally I am a big admirer of your comments but you are consistently wrong about Medicare Advantag
grantcart
Jul 2023
#84
actually my primary is classified as a pediatritian by the hospital and i am 70
dembotoz
Jul 2023
#120
More uninformed and mistaken information about Medicare Part C aka Medicare Advantage
grantcart
Jul 2023
#75
Good, accurate post. To be fair, OP is correct that if you go MA, and decide later
Silent Type
Jul 2023
#90
Thank you grantcart. Our dilemma is tons of meds, which is not unusual for our age group....
Hekate
Jul 2023
#136
Yep, I learned this the hard way when I was trying to change insurance on behalf of my elderly mom.
W_HAMILTON
Jul 2023
#88
Should be called Medicare Disadvantage - And no one should be subject to medical underwriting.
GoneOffShore
Jul 2023
#95
Another rule is: If your Advantage plan leaves your State you may choose Regular Medicare
Joinfortmill
Jul 2023
#102
I've had only positive experiences with original Medicare. My brother, on the other hand,
Vinca
Jul 2023
#108
I thought you were opposed in principle to having Medicaid handled by private insurance companies
MichMan
Jul 2023
#130
One risk pool is a health care system. Multiple risk pools is an investment scheme.
Ron Green
Jul 2023
#173