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In reply to the discussion: PSA - If you enroll in Medicare Advantage, you could be stuck for life [View all]Celerity
(53,440 posts)93. types of financial and patient abuse in Medicare Advantage
https://prospect.org/health/medicare-advantage-is-a-massive-scam/
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One rip-off strategy insurers use is improperly denying claims. A recent investigation from the Department of Health and Human Services inspector general found that among Advantage companies, 13 percent of prior authorization denials were improper, along with 18 percent of payment claim denialsor about 85,000 requests and 1.5 million payments, just in 2019. Paying lots of claims adjusters to fake up reasons to deny necessary treatment is a big reason why Advantage companies spend nearly 14 percent of their money on administration, as compared to traditional Medicares 2 percent.
Another strategy is rigging the risk pool. Advantage companies are notorious for pushing doctors to upcode as many diagnoses onto their patients as possible, thus increasing their risk score and payment, without having to pay for more treatment. That tactic alone cost the government $9 billion in 2019.
All this (plus a bunch of other complicated scams) means that Advantage enrollees receive something like 10 to 25 percent less in health care spending, but the program costs the government about 3 percent more per person than traditional Medicare. This absurd situation is actually getting worse. One recent study found that Advantage plans cost the government $106 billion in overspending from 2010 to 2019, and nearly a third of that came in just the last two years. The price tag is predicted to balloon to $600 billion over the next nine years. One would think that the Biden administration would be looking to reverse course, but it isnt. On the contrary, as Caress notes, it has so far proceeded with a Trump-era plan to privatize the remaining shreds of Medicare by letting private companies serve as payment middlemen through something the Trump team called direct contracting.
After an outcry from progressives, the administration altered the privatization plan, mainly changing the name (its now called ACO REACH), with the supposed goal of achieving equitable outcomes. But as Diane Archer explains at Social Security Works, at bottom its still the same idea, with a lot of obvious loopholes for quick profits by denying care, pushing more people into Advantage plans, gaming risk scores, and so on. Unless Biden changes his mind, America is going to let a bunch more foxes into the Medicare henhouse, including private equity firms, and half-heartedly try to limit the damage to the taxpayer with a bunch of ultra-complicated regulations of the type that are failing right before our eyes.
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I am glad your Medicare Advantage works for you, but on balance, the concept and its actual practices are terrible policy IMHO. Introducing the profit motive (which too often manifests itself in outrageous cases) as a fundamental bedrock for what is a basic human right is just something I do not, at my very core, agree with at all.
Btw, I have used the US healthcare system myself. I lived in LA for several years whilst I read for my MBA) and I had no issues with the care (I was listed on my father's employer's (a global financial firm) US health insurance for CA, Kaiser Permanente, so had no costs that I had to bear myself). I completely realise that my US situation was not that of a normal US adult as I was still on my parent's insurance. I also am far too young for Medicare. I also have US-based family and friends who have had horrid times with their healthcare, especially insurance and providers and the billing interlocks.
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One rip-off strategy insurers use is improperly denying claims. A recent investigation from the Department of Health and Human Services inspector general found that among Advantage companies, 13 percent of prior authorization denials were improper, along with 18 percent of payment claim denialsor about 85,000 requests and 1.5 million payments, just in 2019. Paying lots of claims adjusters to fake up reasons to deny necessary treatment is a big reason why Advantage companies spend nearly 14 percent of their money on administration, as compared to traditional Medicares 2 percent.
Another strategy is rigging the risk pool. Advantage companies are notorious for pushing doctors to upcode as many diagnoses onto their patients as possible, thus increasing their risk score and payment, without having to pay for more treatment. That tactic alone cost the government $9 billion in 2019.
All this (plus a bunch of other complicated scams) means that Advantage enrollees receive something like 10 to 25 percent less in health care spending, but the program costs the government about 3 percent more per person than traditional Medicare. This absurd situation is actually getting worse. One recent study found that Advantage plans cost the government $106 billion in overspending from 2010 to 2019, and nearly a third of that came in just the last two years. The price tag is predicted to balloon to $600 billion over the next nine years. One would think that the Biden administration would be looking to reverse course, but it isnt. On the contrary, as Caress notes, it has so far proceeded with a Trump-era plan to privatize the remaining shreds of Medicare by letting private companies serve as payment middlemen through something the Trump team called direct contracting.
After an outcry from progressives, the administration altered the privatization plan, mainly changing the name (its now called ACO REACH), with the supposed goal of achieving equitable outcomes. But as Diane Archer explains at Social Security Works, at bottom its still the same idea, with a lot of obvious loopholes for quick profits by denying care, pushing more people into Advantage plans, gaming risk scores, and so on. Unless Biden changes his mind, America is going to let a bunch more foxes into the Medicare henhouse, including private equity firms, and half-heartedly try to limit the damage to the taxpayer with a bunch of ultra-complicated regulations of the type that are failing right before our eyes.
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I am glad your Medicare Advantage works for you, but on balance, the concept and its actual practices are terrible policy IMHO. Introducing the profit motive (which too often manifests itself in outrageous cases) as a fundamental bedrock for what is a basic human right is just something I do not, at my very core, agree with at all.
Btw, I have used the US healthcare system myself. I lived in LA for several years whilst I read for my MBA) and I had no issues with the care (I was listed on my father's employer's (a global financial firm) US health insurance for CA, Kaiser Permanente, so had no costs that I had to bear myself). I completely realise that my US situation was not that of a normal US adult as I was still on my parent's insurance. I also am far too young for Medicare. I also have US-based family and friends who have had horrid times with their healthcare, especially insurance and providers and the billing interlocks.
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PSA - If you enroll in Medicare Advantage, you could be stuck for life [View all]
DemBlue76
Jul 2023
OP
It is mainly random for many because it is the individual doing the shopping.
LiberalFighter
Jul 2023
#129
They were simply part of the article and were included for illustrative reasons to show the
Celerity
Jul 2023
#153
Initially tried out a couple of "advantage" plans. Problem I had with them is that
allegorical oracle
Jul 2023
#119
The reason Advantage is so cheap and seemingly good now is they want to bankrupt Medicare
Eliot Rosewater
Jul 2023
#195
That was a dumb statement. Keep in mind they get paid for what they sell you.
True Blue American
Jul 2023
#143
Definitely need to consider, especially if you can afford an extra $200 to $300
Silent Type
Jul 2023
#4
Yep. Never have been able to afford Medigap insurance. Especially since our property
allegorical oracle
Jul 2023
#158
Yes, that's my understanding. I have a Medigap policy with original Medicare.
Lonestarblue
Jul 2023
#26
I've had a Medicare Advantage plan for 10 years now & it's working just fine for me.
elocs
Jul 2023
#15
He also signed the Telecommunications Act of 1996 (that ushered in corporate consolidation
Celerity
Jul 2023
#33
Indeed! And she lead the charge to reform national healthcare that lost by just 2 votes I believe.
keopeli
Jul 2023
#39
Her plan was actually pretty good for time. But there was a lot of opposition.
Silent Type
Jul 2023
#85
the Fairness Doctrine doesn't apply to cable, and Fox News did not launch until October 7, 1996
Celerity
Jul 2023
#79
Hmm. I stand corrected. Hopefully, I'll remember what it is I'm thinking about.
keopeli
Jul 2023
#82
Precisely why for-profit MEDICAL insurance is inherently self serving and awful.
Vdizzle
Jul 2023
#63
If you want to stop people from taking advantage of something good for them,
Silent Type
Jul 2023
#83
Of course...but whether insurance is private or Medicare, fraud exists. nt
Trueblue Texan
Jul 2023
#109
Thanks so much! I learned the facts from Thom Hartmann (here on DU) as well!
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2023
#24
yep. Husband was a federal employee, kept his group fed coverage when Medicare kicked in
Attilatheblond
Jul 2023
#50
Not to mention, this "Advantage" is not Medicare, but they fail to say that in the constant ads!
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2023
#23
According to the ads, the "plans" are all local, depending on where you live.
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2023
#52
And, according to Thom Hartmann, many are scams, which has been documented on this thread:
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2023
#98
We need a universal health care plan like they have in so many other countries
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2023
#100
Not even close. It partially covers doctors' visits, but not dental or prescriptions
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2023
#104
Universal means everyone is covered, not that no one ever has to ever pay anything
MichMan
Jul 2023
#118
I'm glad you were helped, but many are scams, which has been documented on this thread:
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2023
#184
Thanks for the 411. Passed it along to family and will keep in mind as my retirement is 4yrs away.
TheBlackAdder
Jul 2023
#45
If you do get accepted for a Medigap policy after first being on Medicare Advantage
slightlv
Jul 2023
#53
This was GW Bush's contribution when he discovered he couldn't kill them outright. n/t
slightlv
Jul 2023
#62
Generally I am a big admirer of your comments but you are consistently wrong about Medicare Advantag
grantcart
Jul 2023
#84
actually my primary is classified as a pediatritian by the hospital and i am 70
dembotoz
Jul 2023
#120
More uninformed and mistaken information about Medicare Part C aka Medicare Advantage
grantcart
Jul 2023
#75
Good, accurate post. To be fair, OP is correct that if you go MA, and decide later
Silent Type
Jul 2023
#90
Thank you grantcart. Our dilemma is tons of meds, which is not unusual for our age group....
Hekate
Jul 2023
#136
Yep, I learned this the hard way when I was trying to change insurance on behalf of my elderly mom.
W_HAMILTON
Jul 2023
#88
Should be called Medicare Disadvantage - And no one should be subject to medical underwriting.
GoneOffShore
Jul 2023
#95
Another rule is: If your Advantage plan leaves your State you may choose Regular Medicare
Joinfortmill
Jul 2023
#102
I've had only positive experiences with original Medicare. My brother, on the other hand,
Vinca
Jul 2023
#108
I thought you were opposed in principle to having Medicaid handled by private insurance companies
MichMan
Jul 2023
#130
One risk pool is a health care system. Multiple risk pools is an investment scheme.
Ron Green
Jul 2023
#173