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Hekate

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136. Thank you grantcart. Our dilemma is tons of meds, which is not unusual for our age group....
Mon Jul 3, 2023, 01:10 PM
Jul 2023

Our great good fortune is that my husband is still employed at the age of 76 at work he loves, and is able to do it from home. We use the company’s insurance.

In the nature of things, this will not go on forever, and we will have to deal with Medicare.

The OP is alarming — but I noticed the lack of links and the very low post count. You, on the other hand, I know — and true to DU’s tradition of encouraging and even insisting on sources, you provided them. I will be giving your info the consideration it deserves.

Thank you & have a happy 4th of July.



(Copying your post into mine for ease of retrieval. )

❤️
(Although not a specialist in medicare I am a licensed insurance agent)

If the OP has any interest at all in providing accurate information as a PSA the OP will delete this OP.

Every statement I make will be backed up with a direct reference to a Medicare, .Gov source

To clear up some of the misunderstanding that is common here are the basics about A and B

Medicare A provides for hospital coverage for those eligible for Medicare @ 65 and there is no premium.

Medicare B provides for partial coverage of doctors and specialists fees. It has a monthly cost of $ 164.90 a month and you are automatically enrolled with A at 65



1) First of all Medicare advantage is Medicare Part C, not private insurance



https://www.medicare.gov/Pubs/pdf/12026-Understanding-Medicare-Advantage-Plans.pdf


Medicare Advantage (also known as“Part C”) is a type of Medicare health plan
offered by a private company that
contracts with Medicare. These plans include
Part A, Part B, and usually Part D. Plans may
offer some extra benefits that Original Medicare doesn’t cover.



Medicare Advantage is NOT privately funded insurance. Let me explain. The VAST VAST majority of Medicare Advantage clients choose a Medicare Advantage that has zero premium.

These plans are ADMINISTERED by private companies but the premium is PAID by Government.

Why was it set up this way? Medicare part C also known as Medicare Advantage has expanded benefits that involve more client management involvement than the simple reimbursement of A and B so it was decided to offer more Medicare benefit
but have it paid by the government.


Example: Medicare Advantage has a significant priority in incentivizing preventative health practices. For example they pay for basic gym membership (aka Silver Sneakers). My Medicare Advantage includes paid incentives if I do certain things:

Going to the gym $ 5 a month
Colonoscopy $ 40
Eye Exam $ 40
and so on

My wife gets additional incentive payments for

Breast exam
Bone Density

So not only does Medicare Advantage not cost me (and the vast majority) a dollar we actually get paid by the insurance company. Because of the detailed and individual nature of the benefits in Medicare Part C it was decided that it was better not to have a government agency administer it but to do it through private companies. All Medicare Advantage plans meet basic medicare requirements and are strictly controlled by medicare.

Some people choose to buy an Medicare Advantage Plan that has a monthly premium and offers additional coverage for prescriptions. For some people it is a big savings, for others it is an unnecessary expense.

The OP has it backwards, Medicare Part C are government paid plans (with some people paying for additional coverage).
Medigap helps pay for some office co pays but doesn't offer additional help on prescription drugs



https://www.medicare.gov/health-drug-plans/medigap/basics/how-medigap-works#:~:text=A%20Medigap%20policy%20is%20different,supplement%20to%20Original%20Medicare%20coverage.

A Medigap policy is different from a Medicare Advantage Plan (Part C). A Medicare Advantage Plan is another way to get your Medicare coverage besides Original Medicare. A Medigap policy is a supplement to Original Medicare coverage. When you’re getting started with Medicare, you can either buy Medigap or enroll in a Medicare Advantage Plan, but you can’t have both.

If you have a Medicare Advantage Plan, you can’t buy and don’t need a Medigap policy





To summarize:

Medicare Advantage is government paid insurance that is also known as Medicare C

Most people on Medicare C pay no premiums

You can actually get money back on most Medicare Advantage Plans

Medicare Advantage with no premium offers additional assistance on co pays and prescription drugs.

Medigap is paid by you, you pay the premium. The range for Medigap plans (aka Medicare part L, M and N)is between $ 59 and $ 310 a month. Again the average premium for Medicare Advantage is $ 0 for 70% of the recipients.



Seniors have 4 choices

1) Medicare A and B only

2) Number 1 plus a zero premium Medicare C

3) Number 1 plus a Medicare Advantage plan that has a premium and has additional prescription benefits

4) Number 1 plus a Medigap plan.


Which is best for you?

Even though I have been a licensed insurance agent for 20 years I could not answer that question and OPs like this one that prescribe one option is best for all are highly irresponsible. If I were an agent specializing in Medicare I would need a detailed list of prescriptions to input into the different plans to come to a conclusion.

What I can tell you is that there is no one who benefits most from option 1 (Medicare A and B only) because you can get (and most people do) a Medicare Advantage policy that has no premium but has additional benefits. Even though it is clearly preferable to get more benefits with no cost you will find DUers frequently post OPs discouraging people from getting Medicare Advantage even though it will cost them nothing.

What should you do to learn the actual facts and not be misled by someone who is completely uninformed about Medicare Advantage?

1) Read the links above which includes the official Medicare brochure that explains in detail what Medicare Advantage is.

2) Do not call the companies that advertise but find an independent medicare insurance agent that represents more than one company and ask for their recommendation. If they don't ask about your prescriptions, don't bother using them. If you are worried about finding the right one make an appointment with three different ones and pick the one that gives you the best plan.

3) Don't worry if you are not 100% happy with your Medicare Advantage. I am delighted with Humana but I know that they don't have many approved doctors in Yuma but have a ton in Tucson. If you are ever unhappy with your Medicare Advantage plan you can change in the next open season.

4) Don't get bummed out by all of the Medicare Advantage commercials. They advertise that way because the rules for client acquisition are very strict for Medicare part C. They can only respond to a query they cannot initiate the contact. I was in a Walmart once and stood next to an agent that had an approved table in the front. For three minutes I smiled at him and waited for him to say something. He smiled back but said nothing and I asked him if he could help me and invited me to sit down. He explained that he could not say anything to me until I made the first comment.



My experience with Medicare Advantage

I have Humana

My Medicare Advantage Premium is $ 0

My wife and I get about $ 200 every year back for participating in preventative incentive plans

I am an insulin dependent diabetic with diabetes, HBP and prostate meds and my total prescription cost is about $ 125 for three month refills.

Humana also provides very valuable guidance on health related issues. For example there is a severe doctor shortage in Tucson and after spending hours trying to find a doctor that would take an appointment before 2024 I called them up and had a doctor in 5 minutes. A call to get information about hearing aid options answered my questions in 15 minutes and it was better than the ENT doctors have been giving me for 20 years.


You wouldn't take medical or legal advice from a random poster on the internet so why would you take advice on Medicare insurance from a random poster with no links to government information on medicare. If you want to do it right find a Medicare agent that specializes in Medicare

I have been a licensed insurance agent for 20 years but don't specialize in Medicare and would not try to find the best solution without a licensed agent that specialized in it.




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0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

No clue, but I never did Advantage, so this is worth considering. DFW Jul 2023 #1
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT Grasswire2 Jul 2023 #2
Medicare Advantage Is a Massive Scam Celerity Jul 2023 #47
Eleventy billion kudos Just Jerome Jul 2023 #51
I posted elsewhere before I saw this. ShazzieB Jul 2023 #72
Really does depend on company, state and conditions... JCMach1 Jul 2023 #94
It is mainly random for many because it is the individual doing the shopping. LiberalFighter Jul 2023 #129
Quit watching cable news. That is not true. True Blue American Jul 2023 #141
cable news? Celerity Jul 2023 #150
Those scare commercials come from cable news! True Blue American Jul 2023 #151
They were simply part of the article and were included for illustrative reasons to show the Celerity Jul 2023 #153
Joe did push Medicare Advantage Plans on cable. True Blue American Jul 2023 #155
Initially tried out a couple of "advantage" plans. Problem I had with them is that allegorical oracle Jul 2023 #119
Supplement NowISeetheLight Jul 2023 #163
You have the right to change each year. True Blue American Jul 2023 #142
The reason Advantage is so cheap and seemingly good now is they want to bankrupt Medicare Eliot Rosewater Jul 2023 #195
Also, choose any MediGap Supplemental plan as best possible from the sprinkleeninow Jul 2023 #3
When my friend and her husband were looking at gap policies dflprincess Jul 2023 #8
Correct advice. sprinkleeninow Jul 2023 #19
That was a dumb statement. Keep in mind they get paid for what they sell you. True Blue American Jul 2023 #143
Definitely need to consider, especially if you can afford an extra $200 to $300 Silent Type Jul 2023 #4
I do not pay a dime for my True Blue American Jul 2023 #144
Yep. Never have been able to afford Medigap insurance. Especially since our property allegorical oracle Jul 2023 #158
Medigap is not private insurance? dpibel Jul 2023 #5
That would be me. MOMFUDSKI Jul 2023 #7
A medigap plan is bought from a private insurer dflprincess Jul 2023 #10
Yes, that's my understanding. I have a Medigap policy with original Medicare. Lonestarblue Jul 2023 #26
People need to ask themselves why, during the open enrollment period dflprincess Jul 2023 #29
Commissions on Medicare Advantage are higher n/t DemBlue76 Jul 2023 #101
I paid no commission! The AMA CHANGED EVERYTHING! True Blue American Jul 2023 #145
I've had a Medicare Advantage plan for 10 years now & it's working just fine for me. elocs Jul 2023 #15
You and over 45% of Medicare Beneficiaries. Respect those who believe Silent Type Jul 2023 #81
That is slightly different IbogaProject Jul 2023 #133
If you were higher income True Blue American Jul 2023 #146
Nope, nothing comes out of my SS check, I get all of it. n/t elocs Jul 2023 #157
Maybe low income answers that. True Blue American Jul 2023 #160
I have a Medigap plan and it costs $95/month Trueblue Texan Jul 2023 #48
My Medigap plan started out costing $108/month. GoodRaisin Jul 2023 #69
It is a very, very limited private insurance. Ms. Toad Jul 2023 #92
I am on Medicare Advantage and love it at140 Jul 2023 #6
Get back to us after Medicare is privatized not fooled Jul 2023 #9
M-A has never questioned any of the very expensive cancer treatments at140 Jul 2023 #16
Same Here DET Jul 2023 #56
Humana is ours. at140 Jul 2023 #111
Thanks DET Jul 2023 #139
As a cancer survivor, I'm happy for you DemBlue76 Jul 2023 #107
Wish you all the best recovery! at140 Jul 2023 #112
I have never seen so much disinformation that is in this thread. True Blue American Jul 2023 #147
Do you have first-hand experience with M-A or... at140 Jul 2023 #175
First hand True Blue American Jul 2023 #176
But I would like to know how M-A affected you adversely at140 Jul 2023 #177
Where did you get that MA True Blue American Jul 2023 #178
Sorry I misunderstood .. I agree med-adv is very good at140 Jul 2023 #189
Thanks, after I posted what they have done for me. True Blue American Jul 2023 #190
+1 n/t ariadne0614 Jul 2023 #17
It was Bill Clinton, not Bush that signed Medicare C MichMan Jul 2023 #18
The road to perdition, as they say. peppertree Jul 2023 #20
He also signed the Telecommunications Act of 1996 (that ushered in corporate consolidation Celerity Jul 2023 #33
Absolutely. He caved in much too often. peppertree Jul 2023 #35
Yup n/t progressoid Jul 2023 #148
Don't forget ending the Fairness Doctrine. keopeli Jul 2023 #34
Sure. It was the '90s, and he drank the Thatcher Kool-Aid peppertree Jul 2023 #36
Indeed! And she lead the charge to reform national healthcare that lost by just 2 votes I believe. keopeli Jul 2023 #39
Her plan was actually pretty good for time. But there was a lot of opposition. Silent Type Jul 2023 #85
The FCC abolished the fairness doctrine in 1987, so that was under Reagan Celerity Jul 2023 #46
That's right - almost forgot peppertree Jul 2023 #49
the Fairness Doctrine doesn't apply to cable, and Fox News did not launch until October 7, 1996 Celerity Jul 2023 #79
Hmm. I stand corrected. Hopefully, I'll remember what it is I'm thinking about. keopeli Jul 2023 #82
No Republican started any program for people. True Blue American Jul 2023 #154
Correct! Just Jerome Jul 2023 #30
Right! Traildogbob Jul 2023 #31
Precisely why for-profit MEDICAL insurance is inherently self serving and awful. Vdizzle Jul 2023 #63
If you want to stop people from taking advantage of something good for them, Silent Type Jul 2023 #83
More scare tactics. True Blue American Jul 2023 #152
I'm sorry about your wife's cancer dflprincess Jul 2023 #11
We are in M-Adv for 6 years already at140 Jul 2023 #22
Very few Doctors do not take MA. True Blue American Jul 2023 #191
I just came out of hospital True Blue American Jul 2023 #41
What do you pay for? moose65 Jul 2023 #67
We have Minus $120 premiums monthly for each me and my wife at140 Jul 2023 #113
I don't get it moose65 Jul 2023 #165
For last 6 years, M-A adds money every month to our SS checks at140 Jul 2023 #174
I have all my bills from Anthem True Blue American Jul 2023 #159
That's a bit misleading. Wonder Why Jul 2023 #12
Advantage plans are all good Demobrat Jul 2023 #13
Medicare advantage plans consistently... Trueblue Texan Jul 2023 #55
Traditional Medicare has limits too. But I'm sure it's worse under MA. Silent Type Jul 2023 #87
Of course...but whether insurance is private or Medicare, fraud exists. nt Trueblue Texan Jul 2023 #109
My wife's medical treatment bills have now exceeded $2 Million at140 Jul 2023 #192
The networks have broadened most Doctors allowed True Blue American Jul 2023 #161
Thom Hartmann has been covering this subject for years. ariadne0614 Jul 2023 #14
Thanks so much! I learned the facts from Thom Hartmann (here on DU) as well! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #24
Happy my Rebl2 Jul 2023 #21
yep. Husband was a federal employee, kept his group fed coverage when Medicare kicked in Attilatheblond Jul 2023 #50
I have Rebl2 Jul 2023 #54
Not to mention, this "Advantage" is not Medicare, but they fail to say that in the constant ads! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #23
The Government says it is on their own website MichMan Jul 2023 #37
That's the Trojan Horse Just Jerome Jul 2023 #40
According to the ads, the "plans" are all local, depending on where you live. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #52
Which is why you enter your zip code on the Medicare website MichMan Jul 2023 #96
And, according to Thom Hartmann, many are scams, which has been documented on this thread: Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #98
The Federal government is a co conspirator for promoting them. MichMan Jul 2023 #99
We need a universal health care plan like they have in so many other countries Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #100
Isnt Medicare pretty damn close to universal health care as it is? MichMan Jul 2023 #103
Not even close. It partially covers doctors' visits, but not dental or prescriptions Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #104
Universal means everyone is covered, not that no one ever has to ever pay anything MichMan Jul 2023 #118
Medicare Advantage True Blue American Jul 2023 #182
I'm glad you were helped, but many are scams, which has been documented on this thread: Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #184
Thom Hartman is wrong if He True Blue American Jul 2023 #186
It all depends on the private plan being offered in each local area Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #187
I was already likely to stick with traditional Medicare drmeow Jul 2023 #25
You pay for Medicare. True Blue American Jul 2023 #42
And out of your paycheck since the first day you ever worked at a job MichMan Jul 2023 #58
Right, you earned it. True Blue American Jul 2023 #140
You pay a premium for part B drmeow Jul 2023 #110
You will be cheating yourself if you do. Medicare only pays 80%. True Blue American Jul 2023 #183
Do you work for a Medicare Advantage plan or something? drmeow Jul 2023 #185
No, I am much too old True Blue American Jul 2023 #188
Yet another episode of SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2023 #27
Right? SammyWinstonJack Jul 2023 #68
:) True Blue American Jul 2023 #89
Advantage is a backdoor way to privatize Medicare dflprincess Jul 2023 #131
no Skittles Jul 2023 #138
I want SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2023 #149
so the anwer is yes Skittles Jul 2023 #164
Some people only care about themselves Elessar Zappa Jul 2023 #166
BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2023 #167
I think Part B has to accept you without underwriting yellowdogintexas Jul 2023 #28
I am so sick of all the medicare advantage commercials MiniMe Jul 2023 #32
are the medigap supplements expensive? orleans Jul 2023 #43
You need Rebl2 Jul 2023 #57
Yes. Medigap plans can be expensive. Zorro Jul 2023 #66
You are dead wrong,! True Blue American Jul 2023 #179
My comment was about Medigap plans Zorro Jul 2023 #180
If I am not mistaken True Blue American Jul 2023 #181
I feel exactly the same way, Orleans. ShazzieB Jul 2023 #70
well, good luck to all of us orleans Jul 2023 #76
I have to sort this out in the next six months liberal N proud Jul 2023 #38
i've got less than 6 months to figure it out orleans Jul 2023 #44
If you can afford to start on moonscape Jul 2023 #59
Yes, it was a tough road to negotiate for me too. yonder Jul 2023 #80
thanks for advice. (hug) nt orleans Jul 2023 #91
Exactly liberal N proud Jul 2023 #170
omg! and those pests never stop calling. orleans Jul 2023 #171
LoL liberal N proud Jul 2023 #172
Thanks for the 411. Passed it along to family and will keep in mind as my retirement is 4yrs away. TheBlackAdder Jul 2023 #45
If you do get accepted for a Medigap policy after first being on Medicare Advantage slightlv Jul 2023 #53
"They should not be able to call this "Medicare Part C" coverage, for example" MichMan Jul 2023 #60
This was GW Bush's contribution when he discovered he couldn't kill them outright. n/t slightlv Jul 2023 #62
Medicare Part C was signed into law by Bill Clinton, not Bush MichMan Jul 2023 #73
+1. He's getting bashed for it below. Silent Type Jul 2023 #86
Plus, MA might be okay now, but overnight moonscape Jul 2023 #61
These so called advantage plans are bankrupting Medicare! PortTack Jul 2023 #64
Well shanti Jul 2023 #65
I dig not read all these comments Riverman100 Jul 2023 #71
which conclusions? Celerity Jul 2023 #74
Generally I am a big admirer of your comments but you are consistently wrong about Medicare Advantag grantcart Jul 2023 #84
types of financial and patient abuse in Medicare Advantage Celerity Jul 2023 #93
Bullshit conclusions seldom have good points. Can you clarify? czarjak Jul 2023 #77
Do pediatricians see a lot of patients covered by Medicare? MichMan Jul 2023 #105
He knows the American health care system and insurance. czarjak Jul 2023 #106
actually my primary is classified as a pediatritian by the hospital and i am 70 dembotoz Jul 2023 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author czarjak Jul 2023 #78
More uninformed and mistaken information about Medicare Part C aka Medicare Advantage grantcart Jul 2023 #75
Good, accurate post. To be fair, OP is correct that if you go MA, and decide later Silent Type Jul 2023 #90
Medicare Part C is private insurance. Bluepinky Jul 2023 #132
Thank you grantcart. Our dilemma is tons of meds, which is not unusual for our age group.... Hekate Jul 2023 #136
Yep, I learned this the hard way when I was trying to change insurance on behalf of my elderly mom. W_HAMILTON Jul 2023 #88
Should be called Medicare Disadvantage - And no one should be subject to medical underwriting. GoneOffShore Jul 2023 #95
All true! Emile Jul 2023 #97
Another rule is: If your Advantage plan leaves your State you may choose Regular Medicare Joinfortmill Jul 2023 #102
I am curious why you only paid $365 DemBlue76 Jul 2023 #115
I paid for the hospital bed. Everything else was covered. Joinfortmill Jul 2023 #116
I've had only positive experiences with original Medicare. My brother, on the other hand, Vinca Jul 2023 #108
Let me suggest that a political opinion site BlueIdaho Jul 2023 #114
It is a good place to learn private Advantage plans are Emile Jul 2023 #117
Why did President Clinton sign it into law? MichMan Jul 2023 #121
It was created under George W Bush. Emile Jul 2023 #122
Wrong MichMan Jul 2023 #124
In 2003 there were republican revisions to the 1997 Medicare Advantage law Emile Jul 2023 #125
You said it was created under Bush; it wasn't MichMan Jul 2023 #126
You are wrong, I said Emile Jul 2023 #127
I thought you were opposed in principle to having Medicaid handled by private insurance companies MichMan Jul 2023 #130
I am opposed to private insurance companies taking over Medicare. Emile Jul 2023 #134
Except the OP's is good advice. W_HAMILTON Jul 2023 #135
136 posts later and all we can really conclude is BlueIdaho Jul 2023 #137
Well said n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2023 #156
These medicare advantage plans never made sense to me LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2023 #123
I've been on MA for 8 years TexasBushwhacker Jul 2023 #169
It depends on your plan. I have MA and don't pay a penny for premiums. LiberalFighter Jul 2023 #128
Supplement NowISeetheLight Jul 2023 #162
Kick dalton99a Jul 2023 #168
One risk pool is a health care system. Multiple risk pools is an investment scheme. Ron Green Jul 2023 #173
Hello and quick question for Medicare Advantage folks JB44 Jul 2023 #193
Hello, Yonnie3 Jul 2023 #194
welcome to DU gopiscrap Aug 2023 #196
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