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132. They knew in April and May: "But why didn't you go to your supporters? Why didn't you take

Mon Jul 10, 2023, 07:28 AM

Jul 2023

that public?"

"Well, we knew what we did know. But ... you know ... somebody ... Look, in the midst of all this I was out campaigning very hard for Hillary Clinton. I don't ... Let me leave it at that."

"Why leave it at that? It was a specific question about why didn't you go to your supporters. ... If you and your campaign knew that there was Russian meddling trying to sow division, why not take that to supporters, many of whom hang on your every word, as you know."

"I would say, the real question that should be asked was what was the Clinton campaign ... they had more information about that than we did."

"So did the Clinton campaign say don't talk about it?

"No, just ... but."

Vermont Public, interview by Jane Lindholm, Feb. 21, 2018

The " " things mean these are what subject and interviewer said as I wrote them down, I didn't make it up.

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The consequences of ONE election. [View all] kpete Jul 2023 OP

I blame our so-called allies who sabotaged her campaign, or who were no-shows, or slow-shows. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #1

+1 betsuni Jul 2023 #4

Since you indicated support for the comment, what are "slow-shows"? It seems that those would be... xocetaceans Jul 2023 #88

Post #57 might provide an answer to your question. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #90

Partisan Democrats who strongly identify as such vote Democratic: the base. betsuni Jul 2023 #102

Thanks for the citation of the book and the explanation. xocetaceans Jul 2023 #113

I love the book, cite it often, full of useful data. Wish they'd done a study about 2020 too. betsuni Jul 2023 #118

+1 2naSalit Jul 2023 #5

So long as there are headline readers there will be headline writers. jaxexpat Jul 2023 #7

Hey, I'm an unpaid bumper sticker writer! 90-percent Jul 2023 #10

There's good money to be made in that career. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #78

I will never get over radical noodle Jul 2023 #19

Those people were never liberals or Democrats. FoxNewsSucks Jul 2023 #42

They were certainly not loyal Democrats and not loyal to the Party. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #135

That was when we turned into bizarro world SouthernDem4ever Jul 2023 #43

if u were around for the gore v bush and the ronald raygun AllaN01Bear Jul 2023 #53

Oh MAN, those were miserable and deeply disturbing days. calimary Jul 2023 #76

I'm so old... radical noodle Jul 2023 #99

I'm probably as old as you are calguy Jul 2023 #125

This message was self-deleted by its author calguy Jul 2023 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author OverBurn Jul 2023 #28

so very true. stopdiggin Jul 2023 #45

Led by the Bigoted right wing Fraud Tulsi Gabbard JI7 Jul 2023 #108

Post removed Post removed Jul 2023 #110

Someone please tell that to Maine Abu El Banat Jul 2023 #2

Don't forget the Bernie Bros. calguy Jul 2023 #36

I met one the other day wryter2000 Jul 2023 #40

Sanders supporters like myself who are liberals, not just "change" voters, FoxNewsSucks Jul 2023 #46

I don't blame all the Bernie Bros calguy Jul 2023 #49

True. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #57

I was a Clinton delegate to the 2016 convention LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2023 #59

That's fantastic! You're fortunate to have been there (despite the nastiness and unpleasantness.)👍 Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #61

This was my first and probably only Democratic National Convention LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2023 #67

The hatred in that video is disturbing. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #71

And while I think Bernie Sanders is great... MerryHolidays Jul 2023 #101

Of course they did. I wonder if anyone inside their respective campaigns knew. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #131

They knew in April and May: "But why didn't you go to your supporters? Why didn't you take betsuni Jul 2023 #132

That's disappointing, isn't it? Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #133

Yes. betsuni Jul 2023 #134

Bravo Me. Jul 2023 #80

Couldn't have said it better myself. calguy Jul 2023 #86

+1 betsuni Jul 2023 #95

Oh, FFS, get over it. Quit fixating. krkaufman Jul 2023 #106

"Blamecasting" AntivaxHunters Jul 2023 #137

Uh huh inthewind21 Jul 2023 #142

The statement about Clinton is not true. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #63

I'd like to know, too. That the Democratic Party takes for granted, doesn't listen to, ignores betsuni Jul 2023 #87

You just did it yourself. krkaufman Jul 2023 #107

What was the problem with the party platform, the most progressive in history, as was the 2020 betsuni Jul 2023 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Jul 2023 #127

"Anointed" LOL. betsuni Jul 2023 #123

No inthewind21 Jul 2023 #144

Sanders was NEVER going to president Skittles Jul 2023 #82

+1 ShazzieB Jul 2023 #85

True. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #89

True. I remember that. I was ardently for Hillary. calimary Jul 2023 #91

I cannot say what I think of him Skittles Jul 2023 #103

I can guess. I bet I feel the exact same way. calimary Jul 2023 #105

I LOVE what Roy Delfino says about him. betsuni Jul 2023 #138

Sanders voters voted for Clinton than Clinton voters voted for Obama. Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2023 #139

LOL inthewind21 Jul 2023 #145

... lapucelle Jul 2023 #162

Hillary held her first campaign event a few weeks after the convention, Sanders not until September betsuni Jul 2023 #93

Alternate source? krkaufman Jul 2023 #111

Obama: "At the end of our contest, I saw the grace and the energy with which she threw herself betsuni Jul 2023 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Jul 2023 #122

... lapucelle Jul 2023 #164

That is what I saw also LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2023 #129

June 27 was Hillary's first rally with Obama. betsuni Jul 2023 #130

Excuse me AntivaxHunters Jul 2023 #136

Excuse me right back at you calguy Jul 2023 #140

She lost because of the Electoral College AntivaxHunters Jul 2023 #149

We play by the rules that are established calguy Jul 2023 #151

'And no it hasn't always been that way either. Are you aware why the EC even exists?" inthewind21 Jul 2023 #153

I know what I wrote, and I know there's nothing I can say... calguy Jul 2023 #163

yes Skittles Jul 2023 #152

SO inthewind21 Jul 2023 #146

Why the gaslighting? AntivaxHunters Jul 2023 #150

lol inthewind21 Jul 2023 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author inthewind21 Jul 2023 #155

She doesn't give a self righteous shit. Cha Jul 2023 #74

and what if SCOTUS had awarded the POTUS to Gore? samnsara Jul 2023 #3

Or if SCOTUS had simply NOT declared Bush President? raging moderate Jul 2023 #6

that SC Bush v. Gore ruling 90-percent Jul 2023 #12

Thanks to Kavanaugh, Roger Stone and the other "officials". flying_wahini Jul 2023 #64

+1 absolutely bronxiteforever Jul 2023 #13

This. yardwork Jul 2023 #14

Perhaps, but if Ralph Nader hadn't required an ego boost.... paleotn Jul 2023 #18

The same could be said of Jill Stein in 2016, but see below. yardwork Jul 2023 #21

End of the day, yes. That's where the fault belongs. paleotn Jul 2023 #26

Yes, and African American voters don't sit out elections when they don't get everything they need. yardwork Jul 2023 #29

I beg to differ SouthernDem4ever Jul 2023 #35

yes. to claim that this or that 'group' stopdiggin Jul 2023 #50

Outliers Keepthesoulalive Jul 2023 #51

While that may apply to some demographics SouthernDem4ever Jul 2023 #54

As a whole, the vast majority of Black voters vote Democratic. yardwork Jul 2023 #56

Wil all due respect inthewind21 Jul 2023 #147

Sorry, I can only go by my experiences SouthernDem4ever Jul 2023 #148

This. SalamanderSleeps Jul 2023 #30

Or if there hadn't been cheating and stealing. FoxNewsSucks Jul 2023 #47

Karl Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004 LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2023 #68

And Nader happily took their dirty money. SunSeeker Jul 2023 #75

The USSC DENVERPOPS Jul 2023 #115

Yes... that. But I'd also include Ford pardoning Nixon. That's when the toxic GOP started. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #39

THIS!!☝️ onetexan Jul 2023 #8

ya know the funny thing about this? mopinko Jul 2023 #9

I don't blame young people. I blame white people. yardwork Jul 2023 #16

not blaming them. mopinko Jul 2023 #32

I know you walk the walk! You always work hard to GOTV. yardwork Jul 2023 #33

not so much lately. mopinko Jul 2023 #34

Amen to that Joinfortmill Jul 2023 #22

Really? inthewind21 Jul 2023 #156

How we got here maxrandb Jul 2023 #11

Righteous rant! +1000 yardwork Jul 2023 #17

+1. I know! "Like HE said! .." stopdiggin Jul 2023 #52

And all that hate radio would never have been around RocRizzo55 Jul 2023 #25

I keep inthewind21 Jul 2023 #158

It was a strategy RocRizzo55 Jul 2023 #168

great rant.. so true! mountain grammy Jul 2023 #55

It's not just 1 election that caused this Farmer-Rick Jul 2023 #15

Exactly nt RocRizzo55 Jul 2023 #24

Jesus, Mary and Joseph, VOTE. Joinfortmill Jul 2023 #20

Well said. At the very least, just show the F up. paleotn Jul 2023 #27

It goes back further than that RocRizzo55 Jul 2023 #23

plus.... newdayneeded Jul 2023 #31

Have to blame DownriverDem Jul 2023 #37

Plus wryter2000 Jul 2023 #38

It was more than one election. It was several cycles that got us where we are...nt Wounded Bear Jul 2023 #41

This would be Hillary's 2nd term. Things would have been much different. Much better. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #77

I disagree inthewind21 Jul 2023 #160

The analogy of the castle is a good one. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #167

The sad part is that we all have been repeatedly warned of the consequences back in 2015. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #44

Consequences, yes, but that ONE election wasn't the cause. FoxNewsSucks Jul 2023 #48

And infighting. krkaufman Jul 2023 #112

How is this thread an example of infighting. How is the OP incorrect? betsuni Jul 2023 #119

The consequences of unethical anti-democratic maneuvers by Mitch McConnell and his Martin68 Jul 2023 #58

And millions don't die of covid, because we stopped it in China. SunSeeker Jul 2023 #60

covid never would have been "stopped in China" Takket Jul 2023 #65

Obama managed to stop Ebola in Africa. SunSeeker Jul 2023 #69

Covid was vastly more contagous than Ebola dsc Jul 2023 #94

We would not have lost a million people. SunSeeker Jul 2023 #96

Yep republianmushroom Jul 2023 #62

And Bush v Gore Sancho Jul 2023 #66

Trump was a nuclear bomb to American society. Oneironaut Jul 2023 #70

The problems always start at the top Sympthsical Jul 2023 #72

We've been fighting in a post- 2016 national emergency ever since. 2016 continues, year 7. Hortensis Jul 2023 #73

One election where the guy lost the popular vote...and mudstump Jul 2023 #79

There was a 4-4 split in the Supreme Court in 2016 with a seat open. lapucelle Jul 2023 #81

McConnell would have blocked her replacement, too. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #83

Maybe. krkaufman Jul 2023 #109

No inthewind21 Jul 2023 #161

Yup, the religious right got their hands on the grand prize. Initech Jul 2023 #84

This was NOT the consequences of one election GenThePerservering Jul 2023 #92

It is a discussion board so people will discuss. emulatorloo Jul 2023 #97

Oh, totally feel free to rehash this subject GenThePerservering Jul 2023 #98

'TRASH THREAD' is your friend. emulatorloo Jul 2023 #100

Then they would have to accept that it is the candidate who loses elections, not the voter. Autumn Jul 2023 #157

So, we're going to just keep going on Bettie Jul 2023 #104

This exactly GenThePerservering Jul 2023 #116

Because Trump could win in 2024, both-sides-same-who-cares. betsuni Jul 2023 #120

Apparently people need to be reminded of the TRUTH. So many lies right here in this thread. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Jul 2023 #121

2000. The SC decision to stop the Florida recount. JanMichael Jul 2023 #128

Has it been two weeks since the last OP exactly like this one already? Time flies. nt Rob H. Jul 2023 #141

To be fair Sympthsical Jul 2023 #143

I know right inthewind21 Jul 2023 #165

Democrats don't want what happened in 2016 to happen again. Things like this: betsuni Jul 2023 #166

I want to move to THAT timeline budkin Jul 2023 #159