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Emrys

(9,166 posts)
21. Putin's had his bluff called numerous times during his war on Ukraine.
Tue Jul 11, 2023, 10:48 AM
Jul 2023

There's no reason to think this would be any different.

What on earth does the " (rightly)" there mean? It seems to be doing a lot of heavy lifting beyond its capabilities.

Ukraine only presents an "existential" threat currently since Putin fucked up his invasion and the aftermath to the extent that his hold on internal power is wavering, and if you listen to any of his and his media's public pronouncements since the 2002 invasion, he's hell-bent on outright imperialism and genocide of Ukraine - and other Eastern European countries if he's not stopped decisively.

There's no reason to think that Ukraine would have any appetite to attack or invade Russia once it withdraws from Ukrainian territory. It'll have quite enough on its hands tidying up the mess Putin's troops and the process of repelling them will leave. It certainly wouldn't drag the rest of NATO into such an adventure if and when it gains membership, and other members would resist it decisively anyway.

What would be suicidal is to leave Russia with the idea that it can invade Ukraine again - or any other of its neighbours - with impunity. NATO membership will take that off the table.

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We are not yet formally in, the Turkish and Hungarian parliaments still have to vote on it. Celerity Jul 2023 #1
North Atlantic Treaty Organization. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2023 #2
Press statement following the meeting between Turkiye, Sweden, and the NATO Secretary General Celerity Jul 2023 #4
Multiple NATO members are not located on the North Atlantic (which includes the Baltic Sea) Celerity Jul 2023 #8
It took me a while, but I found Georgia over there. GreenWave Jul 2023 #12
Well, getting ahead of yourself there relayerbob Jul 2023 #3
Austria is not in NATO. You were probably thinking of Hungary, who, now that Turkey has said they Celerity Jul 2023 #7
Russia is and expanse of land 11 times zones wide, the biggest nation on Earth, but that isn't... brush Jul 2023 #5
Karma! Ol Putin said one reason for his invasion was NATO advancing on his borders PortTack Jul 2023 #6
Putin is exploiting the self-destructive Russian paranoid psyche to motivate his troops & people.nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #10
☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ PortTack Jul 2023 #20
Not formally yet. Jumping the gun is bad karma. Please don't. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #9
No country under attack can join NATO. Nobody needs NATO troops in Ukraine fighting Russians Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #11
Letting Ukraine in immediately would mean all Nato members mobilizing for war straight away Mr. Sparkle Jul 2023 #13
Putin's goal of having regional control over Europe has backfired spectacularly. Irish_Dem Jul 2023 #14
Of the 31 NATO nations, several formerly under Soviet control Hortensis Jul 2023 #15
Sweden will be in soon enough Johnny2X2X Jul 2023 #16
NATO can't just "say" Ukraine is now a member... brooklynite Jul 2023 #17
Putin is creating the very thing he wants extinguished: Torchlight Jul 2023 #18
Brining Ukraine into NATO is a suicidal action Showbizkid Jul 2023 #19
Putin's had his bluff called numerous times during his war on Ukraine. Emrys Jul 2023 #21
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