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8. If he had written the million words himself

Fri Jul 21, 2023, 07:56 AM

Jul 2023

and posted them to a fanfiction site (provided Martin doesn't forbid fanfic of his work to be posted--some writers do) then I wouldn't have a problem with it. There are extensive fandoms for just about every major series out there and fics continuing a series on past where the author has left off are one of the most common types of fics. It's been over a decade since Martin has written anything and he's getting old. It would not surprise me if he never finishes his series and good fanfics are all that fans get if they want "what's next?"

What makes this despicable is that he used ChatGPT. ChatGPT was trained using original material written by real writers, artists, bloggers... every single output ChatGPT produces is formed using stolen material. There should be no debate on whether ChatGPT is okay. Its use exploits real creators.

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Some asshole used ChatGPT to write two novels to finish the series Game of Thrones is based on [View all] highplainsdem Jul 2023 OP

Meh. Fan fiction is pretty well established. unblock Jul 2023 #1

This is NOT typical fan fic. The use of AI is particularly despicable in the highplainsdem Jul 2023 #3

The strike is not literary writers SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2023 #7

Good point. nt BlackSkimmer Jul 2023 #13

Martin is a WGA member, and not the only one who writes novels and highplainsdem Jul 2023 #15

All irrelevant SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2023 #42

I don't see it as being any different than fan fiction XorXor Jul 2023 #25

Words are cheap and easy to avoid, whatever the source. hunter Jul 2023 #49

"...but if it's for free, MorbidButterflyTat Jul 2023 #59

It's not at the same thing unblock Jul 2023 #70

Martin kept fans on hold promising two books that he never delivered. I don't have too much JohnSJ Jul 2023 #2

It's Martin's series. It isn't owned by the fans. highplainsdem Jul 2023 #4

Let him sue. Whatever chapGPT produced it is still Marin's work because it is derived from JohnSJ Jul 2023 #6

Is he upset by it? I would imagine the people most upset are those who write fan finction XorXor Jul 2023 #50

Good analysis JohnSJ Jul 2023 #60

And I see political ads putting words into mouths. TreasonousBastard Jul 2023 #5

We'll be seeing much more of that, too. With AI, this next election highplainsdem Jul 2023 #9

If he had written the million words himself pinkstarburst Jul 2023 #8

I agree that using AI is the main problem here. Btw, fanfic writers are upset with highplainsdem Jul 2023 #11

I understand all this pinkstarburst Jul 2023 #55

Maybe ol' Georgie boy should have written them himself, if he's so worried sir pball Jul 2023 #10

See reply 11. And please show more respect for artists. highplainsdem Jul 2023 #12

Your feelings are noted. nt sir pball Jul 2023 #14

So is your lack of concern for artists. highplainsdem Jul 2023 #16

If that's how you feel I think, good for you. sir pball Jul 2023 #18

I have seen you praise some musical artists, but now I have highplainsdem Jul 2023 #19

Lol. BlackSkimmer Jul 2023 #23

Wow. So calling him "ol' Georgie boy" was meant to be respectful, along with highplainsdem Jul 2023 #24

Sorry, I'm not nearly as worked up about all this as you seem to be. BlackSkimmer Jul 2023 #26

I have met him, long ago, and I read a lot of his early work, highplainsdem Jul 2023 #43

He's too lazy to finish them. BannonsLiver Jul 2023 #30

Is the one who used the AI profiting from it? Elessar Zappa Jul 2023 #17

It isn't "just for fun" when generative AI is used. highplainsdem Jul 2023 #21

How long before AI fills the internet with with very positive reviews of AI? Prairie_Seagull Jul 2023 #20

+1,000,000 highplainsdem Jul 2023 #22

You've apparently never heard of fan fiction... brooklynite Jul 2023 #27

Have been hearing about it for over 50 years, since the days when fanzines highplainsdem Jul 2023 #37

Again, is there any evidence of an intent to monetize? brooklynite Jul 2023 #39

People who create fan fiction can be sued even if they aren't making money highplainsdem Jul 2023 #41

Martin hasn't apparently chosen to sue at this point... brooklynite Jul 2023 #71

It's just fan fiction, only that the fan is a bot Polybius Jul 2023 #28

Martin is too lazy to finish the books so this will probably be the closest to an actual ending. BannonsLiver Jul 2023 #29

I think he wrote himself into a corner Retrograde Jul 2023 #31

Mildly amusing use of AI. Not an asshole. Bonx Jul 2023 #32

Sounds like fun TrotskyistTidings Jul 2023 #33

If he wants to experiment, have it finish Edwin Drood Retrograde Jul 2023 #34

I think they'll all be okay in the morning Snooper9 Jul 2023 #35

A.I. ... orleans Jul 2023 #36

If he doesn't make money off it, it's fan fiction mainer Jul 2023 #38

Yes, he can be sued. highplainsdem Jul 2023 #40

Has anyone ever been successfully sued over fan fiction? honest.abe Jul 2023 #45

I don't know. But it isn't legal without the consent of the creatives whose work highplainsdem Jul 2023 #46

So no. As I suspected. honest.abe Jul 2023 #47

LOL! Where did you get the idea that "I don't know" means "No"? ChatGPT? highplainsdem Jul 2023 #57

None of those links answer what I asked. honest.abe Jul 2023 #65

Sigh. The last link alone, as you can see reading the URL, is about a highplainsdem Jul 2023 #69

That case was about someone making money from their fan film. honest.abe Jul 2023 #73

"I don't know" does not equal "No." Iggo Jul 2023 #64

In this case it sure does. honest.abe Jul 2023 #67

Paramount and Star Trek seem to have no problem. WarGamer Jul 2023 #54

See the last linked article in reply 57. highplainsdem Jul 2023 #58

that's cool... so Paramount allows fan fiction content with some guidance WarGamer Jul 2023 #61

Fan fiction can cause some very serious problems for highplainsdem Jul 2023 #63

Well, considering GRRM hasn't written a new book since Bill Clinton was President obamanut2012 Jul 2023 #44

Dance of Dragons was released in 2011 Sympthsical Jul 2023 #48

fan fiction is nothing new... WarGamer Jul 2023 #51

Not true. See reply 40. highplainsdem Jul 2023 #53

FWIW, I bet AI did a better job than the TV runners on HBO. WarGamer Jul 2023 #52

I am MorbidButterflyTat Jul 2023 #56

I'm stunned that some DUers seem to have little respect or concern highplainsdem Jul 2023 #62

I don't have the patience to slog through two AI-written novels, but I find it hard to believe... Silent3 Jul 2023 #66

DURec leftstreet Jul 2023 #68

Fan Fiction is awesome AnyFunctioningAdult Jul 2023 #72

It isn't usually awesome for the creator of that world. See highplainsdem Jul 2023 #74

If GRRM had gotten off his ass and finished the series it wouldn't be a problem ripcord Jul 2023 #75