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Celerity

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45. 85 plus years after the Declaration, parts of the US were still chattel enslaving my fellow black

Reply to The Grand Illuminist (Reply #38)

Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:57 AM

Jul 2023

Americans, so it is hardly surprising that the Declaration has some problematic language. Many of the Founding Fathers, including Washington and Jefferson, etc, were slave holders. The Constitution from the start, and until amended, only counted us black folk who were under the chattel yoke of slavery as 3/5ths of a free human.

The US has been white power (and especially wealthy, land-holding white male power) from its inception. The Rethugs are just attempting to take it back to its roots, and fundie christianity is one of the main cudgels in their toolkit of tyranny.

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Should "under God" be removed from the Pledge of Allegiance? How about "In God We Trust" on money? [View all] True Dough Jul 2023 OP

When I was in first grade I had a teacher who used to leave it out because of habit Walleye Jul 2023 #1

Charles Edward Bennett the author of HR 619 was a Democrat. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2023 #9

From Florida Nt spooky3 Jul 2023 #16

This should be a poll. rzemanfl Jul 2023 #2

Under the constitution seleff Jul 2023 #31

I say, "One nation under LAW" Captain Zero Jul 2023 #62

I remember when "under god" was added to the pledge cyclonefence Jul 2023 #3

Are you from NYC? musette_sf Jul 2023 #24

Must have been specific to your school or district. marybourg Jul 2023 #49

In my elementary school in Queens Mossfern Jul 2023 #73

In Queens I went (for 1 year, after moving from the Bronx) marybourg Jul 2023 #76

That is hilarious cyclonefence Jul 2023 #72

Of course they should, but I don't expect that battle to be waged any time soon. Croney Jul 2023 #4

I agree Johonny Jul 2023 #34

Yes and Yes. Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #5

What I Think Stupid... ProfessorGAC Jul 2023 #40

I'm glad the Gen Zers are seeing through it. Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #42

Indeed. Music Man Jul 2023 #52

Yes and yes. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2023 #6

Agree. Billy Graham and fear of godless commies was very influential at the time. Timeflyer Jul 2023 #13

yes indeed vlyons Jul 2023 #7

Doesn't matter to me either way. Kaleva Jul 2023 #8

In the grand scheme of issues facing us, this ranks so near the bottom I can't believe its being onenote Jul 2023 #10

DH and I never say "under god" Bettie Jul 2023 #11

Make the dog our official American pet and replace all with "In DOG we trust." hlthe2b Jul 2023 #12

Personally I pledge my loyalty to kitties Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #20

😜😉 hlthe2b Jul 2023 #21

Well, let's save the planet first Easterncedar Jul 2023 #14

1957, huh EYESORE 9001 Jul 2023 #15

Yes x 2 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2023 #17

Yes & Yes... Deuce Jul 2023 #18

Yes, the pre 50s versions should be restored, but there are bigger fish to fry right now JHB Jul 2023 #19

No God In Government - Remove The Nefarious Delusion MayReasonRule Jul 2023 #22

Yes and yes. Happy Hoosier Jul 2023 #23

Remove god from... RocRizzo55 Jul 2023 #25

Yes. 2naSalit Jul 2023 #26

Absolutely Old Crank Jul 2023 #27

In God We Trust MrWowWow Jul 2023 #28

As has been stated. Bigger fish, but, yes and yes. Prairie_Seagull Jul 2023 #29

It should and it won't. brooklynite Jul 2023 #30

Yes to both, but won't happen. sinkingfeeling Jul 2023 #32

I'd be fine with it. shrike3 Jul 2023 #33

Coins didn't start having the motto until 1864. roamer65 Jul 2023 #35

We could just leave the pledge out entirely edisdead Jul 2023 #36

Unstable genius Sarah Palin on the subject: Tanuki Jul 2023 #37

What about "Endowed by our creator" The Grand Illuminist Jul 2023 #38

85 plus years after the Declaration, parts of the US were still chattel enslaving my fellow black Celerity Jul 2023 #45

When did you live in America? pwb Jul 2023 #48

I was born in Los Angeles, parents moved back to London whilst I was a toddler, then we moved Celerity Jul 2023 #54

Nice, pwb Jul 2023 #55

Overall, we love it here, but we will leave if we must do so to maintain the EU option whilst Celerity Jul 2023 #57

It is tough here. pwb Jul 2023 #59

I am dismayed at what is happening to America (and to some of the EU as well). Celerity Jul 2023 #60

Sure. Elessar Zappa Jul 2023 #39

Forever Strong NowISeetheLight Jul 2023 #41

Just don't say the "under god" part Buckeyeblue Jul 2023 #43

absolutely Celerity Jul 2023 #44

Of course it should be removed. Mariana Jul 2023 #46

They're the majority for now... True Dough Jul 2023 #58

It's still going to be a long while Mariana Jul 2023 #77

Yes to both. we can do it Jul 2023 #47

Sure, let's find a new culture thing to fight about. LAS14 Jul 2023 #50

Yes to both EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #51

I can't even remember the last time I was in a situation where the PoA was recited. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #53

No problem with me doing away with it, but it ain't Emile Jul 2023 #56

Instead of picking a fight we can't win..... A HERETIC I AM Jul 2023 #61

do you really wanna give the gop and the maga churches a ready made issue to fight for? dembotoz Jul 2023 #63

One could argue the word United could be removed as well? pwb Jul 2023 #64

These days, True Dough Jul 2023 #67

Not sure there was ever a time when that wouldn't have been true. TwilightZone Jul 2023 #71

Bills didn't have it until the 1950s ITAL Jul 2023 #65

Yes n/t FreeState Jul 2023 #66

I don't care. I have never cared. I will continue to not care. Sympthsical Jul 2023 #68

Remove! Kennah Jul 2023 #69

Of course. This is a secular state devoted to religious freedom, including Hortensis Jul 2023 #70

Absolutely. aocommunalpunch Jul 2023 #74

Should be replaced by "in guns we trust." mzmolly Jul 2023 #75

Of course on both. Eko Jul 2023 #78

God (ironically) bless the politician who attempts that undertaking. Xavier Breath Jul 2023 #79

Should never have been added. TrotskyistTidings Jul 2023 #80