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Coventina

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42. On paper, Islam is more liberal than Christianity.

Thu Jul 27, 2023, 04:42 PM

Jul 2023

Women are given specific, inherent rights that Christianity does not give them.

When Islam is practiced on purely doctrinal lines, it is much more liberal than most Christian sects and definitely more liberal than the RCC.

Under Islam women are given: specific property, education, and inheritance rights and the right to divorce their husbands.

All the stuff about dress, non-educating, subservience, etc. is all cultural trappings.

What might have really drawn Sinead to Islam is the lack of any sort of priesthood in Islam. Imams are not priests, they are just educated (but no degree required) people that the mosque deem responsible enough to teach and lead prayers.
Islam stresses the individual's relationship with god directly, with no intermediaries. That is something the RCC is directly AGAINST.

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And it turns out, she was totally right. [View all] ItsjustMe Jul 2023 OP

I remember watching and whooping my ass off when she did that! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2023 #1

more than a ration stopdiggin Jul 2023 #2

A woman ahead of her time. peppertree Jul 2023 #3

Is that a fact? Do you have a link for that? I can't find it on google. Thanks! I want to read about keopeli Jul 2023 #4

To be fair to him it was never corroborated peppertree Jul 2023 #5

Plausibility and confirmation bias make me want to believe it's true! But, I'm much more skeptical keopeli Jul 2023 #6

You're welcome peppertree Jul 2023 #7

see post 9 sheshe2 Jul 2023 #12

I am missing something somewhere bottomofthehill Jul 2023 #17

To be fair to who? ShazzieB Jul 2023 #19

Found on google. sheshe2 Jul 2023 #9

(Psst . . . looks like the dementia unit discovered the internet. We're all just politely ignoring.) Gaugamela Jul 2023 #20

Yeah, pedophilia in the Catholic Church was always a badly kept secret Farmer-Rick Jul 2023 #47

I remember people telling me that there was a "bad" priest house in Sarasota JanMichael Aug 2023 #71

I was raised a Catholic, 8 years in parochial school bhikkhu Jul 2023 #22

Same! Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #44

Here is the clip. Fight the real enemy. spike jones Jul 2023 #8

fuck the paedo enabling bastards Celerity Jul 2023 #10

Just said this to my spouse tonight Iris Jul 2023 #11

I remember watching live mzmolly Jul 2023 #13

executive producer Lorne Michaels ordered that the applause sign not be used progressoid Jul 2023 #24

Wow mzmolly Jul 2023 #35

I too watched it live with my mom Polybius Jul 2023 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author Polybius Jul 2023 #52

K n R ! Thanks for posting!... JoeOtterbein Jul 2023 #14

I didn't hear a word of censure here in heavily RCC NM Warpy Jul 2023 #15

I was too young when this aired vercetti2021 Jul 2023 #16

And it wasn't just Pesci . . . markpkessinger Jul 2023 #32

Yes, she was. The backlash was telling. How dare a woman hold religious patriarchy responsible- 58Sunliner Jul 2023 #18

The KKK would've been big fans in 1865. czarjak Jul 2023 #21

? Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #28

Oh please. Like the Catholic Church is the victim. Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #45

Like The KKK was founded on hatred of Blacks, Jews, C-A-T-H-O-L-I-C-S. Look it up. czarjak Jul 2023 #48

Yeah, no kidding, I know the KKK hated Catholics. Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #49

I believe her criticism was directed at the Pope and the leadership of the Roman Catholic Church... markpkessinger Aug 2023 #63

K&R so true Alice Kramden Jul 2023 #23

In a different time she would have been burned at the stake. twodogsbarking Jul 2023 #25

Indeed. n/t Delphinus Jul 2023 #30

Yes mamacita75 Jul 2023 #33

Even today you have people who think organized religion is beyond criticism Major Nikon Jul 2023 #26

Irish Catholic Church bpj62 Jul 2023 #27

The country was furious? geardaddy Jul 2023 #29

Actually, much of the country, including non-Catholics . . . markpkessinger Jul 2023 #34

Only those who worship the right-wing Pope HubertHeaver Jul 2023 #37

lolwat? Act_of_Reparation Jul 2023 #40

Not in this household. geardaddy Jul 2023 #41

Yeah, they were furious ExWhoDoesntCare Jul 2023 #55

I watched that live! obamanut2012 Jul 2023 #31

Much of the country was already furious with her . . . markpkessinger Jul 2023 #36

Most of the country ExWhoDoesntCare Jul 2023 #56

While I applauded this move. Lunabell Jul 2023 #38

I was just going to say .... TexasBushwhacker Jul 2023 #39

On paper, Islam is more liberal than Christianity. Coventina Jul 2023 #42

I'm not going to debate which abrahamic religion is most misogynist. Lunabell Jul 2023 #43

Well, you asked the question and I posed some possible answers. Coventina Jul 2023 #46

Religion doesn't exist "on paper" Act_of_Reparation Jul 2023 #61

Islam, just like Christianity, is not a monolith. There are a vast variety of practices in both. Coventina Jul 2023 #62

I never said that it was. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2023 #64

Which adherents? Coventina Aug 2023 #65

Every social group has members that believe many different things. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2023 #66

So, Islam (in your definintion) is defined by whatever the majority of self-proclaimed Muslims Coventina Aug 2023 #67

Would you agree that religions are social constructs? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2023 #70

Ultimately, yes, because I don't believe "God" told anyone "the rules." Coventina Aug 2023 #72

I remember seeing this at the time. eppur_se_muova Jul 2023 #50

She would have been banned from NBC for destroying a Torah or Koran as well Polybius Jul 2023 #54

What nonsense ExWhoDoesntCare Jul 2023 #57

Imagine if she ripped a picture of prophet Muhammad Polybius Jul 2023 #58

To many Catholics, the Pope is not just another human being. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2023 #60

While it hurt her career, just imagine if she had done the same thing in England.. Polybius Jul 2023 #53

She was right from the get-go, and everyone knew it. Iggo Jul 2023 #59

I don't know no shame, I feel no pain, I can't see the flame, but I do know Mandinka. sarcasmo Aug 2023 #68

It was taken as an attack on JPII, not the RCC in general. People didn't get it. maxsolomon Aug 2023 #69

He was very involved in the cover up. n/t Coventina Aug 2023 #73

That wasn't particularly well known at the time, or even today. maxsolomon Aug 2023 #74

I think she somewhat overestimated her audience's knowledge. Coventina Aug 2023 #75

Well, most of us America post-Catholics were certainly aware of pederast priests maxsolomon Aug 2023 #76