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36. Watergate Prosecutor Jill Wine-Banks Says Special Counsel for Trump 'Waste of Time' (November 2022)
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 06:52 PM
Aug 2023
Not one was around for Watergate


https://www.newsweek.com/watergate-prosecutor-says-special-counsel-trump-waste-time-1760758

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Garland's announcement was not met with widespread agreement or enthusiasm.

"I think it's a waste of time and money, insults the prosecutors at DOJ and gains nothing," tweeted Jill Wine-Banks, a former Watergate and federal prosecutor. "No Trump supporter will see anyone as independent or fair to Trump."

Filmmaker Rob Reiner said the American people don't need a special counsel "to determine that Donald Trump has committed a mountain of federal crimes."

"Merrick Garland: Stop trying to avoid looking political and INDICT!" Reiner tweeted.






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Richard Ben-Veniste is an American lawyer. He first rose to prominence as a special prosecutor during the Watergate scandal.

Merrick Garland doesn’t have forever

By Richard Ben-Veniste
July 20, 2022


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/20/garland-trump-investigation-jan-6-timing/

https://archive.li/kwRw6

Let’s take Attorney General Merrick Garland at his word that he is vigorously investigating Donald Trump and the apparent conspiracy that led to the violent coup attempt at the U.S. Capitol 18 months ago. My guess is that Garland should be able to make the decision on whether there is enough evidence to indict the former president for the crime of conspiracy to defraud the United States and/or related felonies in six months’ time. That decision should be based solely on whether the evidence is sufficient to convince a jury, beyond a reasonable doubt, of Trump’s guilt — not on political considerations.

He will have to be about his work. The Jan. 6 select committee will hold what might be its last public hearing on Thursday evening. The committee, led by its steadfast chair, Rep. Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss.), and its implacable vice chair, Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), has demonstrated a unity of purpose and willingness to put the nation’s interests above personal attention and reward, and produced a factual record that lays the foundational predicate for charging those responsible for organizing the assault on the Capitol. Understandably, some have called on Garland to produce immediate indictments and prosecutions of individuals. I believe a more patient approach will better serve the interests of justice.

There is some analogy in the timetable to the work of the Senate Watergate Committee some five decades ago. That committee’s investigation provided an evidentiary foundation upon which the Watergate Special Prosecutor’s Office built a series of successful prosecutions of individuals who held the highest positions of power in the Nixon administration. The testimony of Nixon White House counsel John Dean and the revelation of the secret White House taping system by Alexander Butterfield were critical to our ultimate success.

The toolbox of federal prosecutors is better equipped to ferret out testimony and documents from reluctant witnesses than the investigative powers of congressional committees. The special prosecutor successfully subpoenaed the Nixon tapes, while Congress failed to obtain them. Hostile and dissembling witnesses testified against their superiors under relentless pressure from the prosecutors. And it was the special prosecutor who presented evidence of Richard M. Nixon’s complicity in obstructing the Watergate investigation that convinced the grand jury to vote that he be named as an unindicted co-conspirator. But employing the prosecutor’s tradecraft takes time. Reluctant witnesses have to be confronted with evidence; culpable parties may be granted immunity to induce cooperation against higher-ups. Challenges to grand jury subpoenas must be litigated in the courts.

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He can be that way sometimes. O'Donnell kind of shot him down, gently. Ocelot II Aug 2023 #1
Yeah, right after his excellent comment about the significance of the moment Fiendish Thingy Aug 2023 #2
Like, seriously? Like, he really said that? Like, what was he thinking? Like, wow! Comfortably_Numb Aug 2023 #3
I muted Hayes LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #4
+1 rogue emissary Aug 2023 #55
In my opinion, Hayes is one of the weakest hosts on MSNBC. JohnSJ Aug 2023 #5
He gets kind of hyper and shouty. Ocelot II Aug 2023 #8
Hayes is not very bright LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #32
He's no Rachel Maddow. Paladin Aug 2023 #50
I've never thought much of him as a host underpants Aug 2023 #6
No place for that now on this historic day. brush Aug 2023 #7
Bring on Katyal and Weissmann C_U_L8R Aug 2023 #9
Lawrence O'Donnell came right back with a perfect rebuttal... Spazito Aug 2023 #10
Of course he did. elleng Aug 2023 #15
The West Wing is my all-time favorite television show.... Spazito Aug 2023 #19
I do like MASH, but have a boxed set of The West Wing so go to it OFTEN! elleng Aug 2023 #21
Not completely perfect Silent3 Aug 2023 #16
Timing is everything... Spazito Aug 2023 #18
The indictments we've seen today, as no one on the panel disagreed with... Silent3 Aug 2023 #20
We are in disagreement which is fine... Spazito Aug 2023 #23
DoJ always works hard, and in a quiet way. elleng Aug 2023 #27
Your comment does not counter what I've written Silent3 Aug 2023 #33
The Florida grand jury was kept tightly wrapped, as was the superceding indictment. lapucelle Aug 2023 #51
Pence's testimony and his contemporaneous documentation are new. N/T lapucelle Aug 2023 #47
I don't disagree. The one power the DoJ has is subpoenas with more heft Silent3 Aug 2023 #48
Right. Thanks. elleng Aug 2023 #22
Voice of reason. sheshe2 Aug 2023 #38
Thanks! Lawrence's point made eminent sense to me... Spazito Aug 2023 #53
Mahalo for that, Spazito.. I didn't see Cha Aug 2023 #26
He spelled it out so well, Cha... Spazito Aug 2023 #28
Thank you! I hope AG Garland gets to Cha Aug 2023 #29
Me too, he is a good man doing a tough job with.... Spazito Aug 2023 #31
Agree. And I was seeing that viewpoint expressed Hortensis Aug 2023 #49
Alec Wagner was weak too with her contant grins when saying she doubts... brush Aug 2023 #11
Her smile irks me. Not natural. LiberalFighter Aug 2023 #14
TY for that, brush.. Cha Aug 2023 #30
Oh, thanks. I will edit. i've done that before. brush Aug 2023 #34
Thanks. This been bothering me. elleng Aug 2023 #12
Lots of them have argued that Garland was too slow malaise Aug 2023 #13
Watergate Prosecutor Jill Wine-Banks Says Special Counsel for Trump 'Waste of Time' (November 2022) Celerity Aug 2023 #36
Watergate took more than three years malaise Aug 2023 #37
What is the point? You said no one involved in Watergate commented that Garland was taking too Celerity Aug 2023 #39
I was really speaking to the media folks not being around for Watergate malaise Aug 2023 #40
Laurence Tribe echoed the Chris Hayes concerns on the next MSNBC show (Lawrence O'Donnell) Celerity Aug 2023 #44
I watch Chris regularly malaise Aug 2023 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Aug 2023 #41
Thank you, malaise. sheshe2 Aug 2023 #42
Oh yeah & SMH @ that Rob Reiner tweet.. Cha Aug 2023 #54
I can't stand Hayes, he is such a worm. sheshe2 Aug 2023 #57
Agree on hayes.. But the Good News Cha Aug 2023 #58
First hearing date set for Aug.28! sheshe2 Aug 2023 #59
Oh Wow.. That Would BE Priceless!! Hillary & Nancy Cha Aug 2023 #60
I added pictures of Nancy and Hillary to that thread... sheshe2 Aug 2023 #61
Excellent.. can I have a link Please!💙 History! Cha Aug 2023 #62
I will go see where I posted it. sheshe2 Aug 2023 #63
Mahalo, she.. no worries! Cha Aug 2023 #64
Here ya go.. sheshe2 Aug 2023 #65
Thank You!!! Cha Aug 2023 #66
I made the appointment a year ago...just look at us now! sheshe2 Aug 2023 #67
Really! Cha Aug 2023 #68
When his show first started, I gave him a fair hearing and never looked again. UTUSN Aug 2023 #17
What a GD Stupid thing to say.. get a Cha Aug 2023 #24
Weeellll, AG Garland has taken some harsh abuse from DUers, some of whom remain unforgiving Hekate Aug 2023 #25
He took no time in assigning a sp for Biden boston bean Aug 2023 #43
Kick Cha Aug 2023 #35
Garlamd amd Smith are getting it right malaise Aug 2023 #46
Mahalo for that Malaise. Cha Aug 2023 #52
Hayes is being stupid yet again today LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #56
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