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In reply to the discussion: Let me make this pellucidly clear [View all]Jarqui
(10,906 posts)As the truth comes out, it will go down.
There will be a fatigue factor - folks getting sick of the self-inflicted drama.
Trumps indictments are having diminishing returns for his political fundraising
The second indictment was not as powerful as the first.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/01/trump-indictments-political-fundraising-00109192
Koch Network Raises Over $70 Million for Push to Sink Trump
Americans for Prosperity Action is wading into a Republican presidential primary for the first time, and waiting to see which candidate it will get behind for 2024.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/29/us/politics/koch-network-trump-2024.html
Trumps energy industry donors defect to his primary rivals
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/18/energy-donors-trump-2024-00106827
Top Republican donors plough money into effort to stop Donald Trump
https://www.ft.com/content/4a4a92c8-43b7-40a9-b765-a11e2625e79e
Big-Name Donors Are Moving On From Trump
Deep-pocketed conservatives, including Stephen A. Schwarzman and Kenneth C. Griffin, said they plan to back alternatives to the former president.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/16/business/trump-donors-schwarzman-griffin.html
Trump burns through donors money as legal troubles mount
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/31/politics/trump-operation-spending-legal-troubles/index.html
He's blown that on the first couple of indictments and EJ Carroll defense (with more $ to come)...
At -16.9 Favorability, he's trending towards his record -18.1
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/
Just 4 of Donald Trump's 44 former cabinet members have publicly endorsed his 2024 run
https://www.businessinsider.com/members-trumps-cabinet-just-4-endorsed-him-2024-nbc-2023-7
Chris Christie The events around the White House from election night forward are a stain on our countrys history & a disgrace to the people who participated. This disgrace falls the most on Donald Trump.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/eyes-2024-gop-presidential-hopefuls-react-trumps-indictment-rcna97695
Asa Hutchinson I have always said that Donald Trump is morally responsible for the attack on our democracy. Now, with todays indictment, our system of Justice will determine whether he is criminally responsible.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/eyes-2024-gop-presidential-hopefuls-react-trumps-indictment-rcna97695
Barr obliterates Trumps defense: He knew well that he had lost the election
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/03/politics/bill-barr-trump-arraignment-2020-election/index.html
But recently, other GOP contenders flip:
Mike Pence (Aug 4, 2023 report) "The American people deserve to know that President Trump and his advisers didn't just ask me to pause. They asked me to reject votes, return votes, essentially to overturn the election"
""While I made my case to what I understood my Constitution to require, the president ultimately continued to demand that I choose him over the Constitution."
"What the president maintained that day, and frankly, has said over and over again over the last two and a half years, is completely false," he added. "And it's contrary to what our Constitution and the laws of this country provide."
Todays indictment serves as an important reminder: anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mike-pence-donald-trump-trial/story?id=101988548
DeSantis Dismisses Trumps 2020 Election Theories as False
The Florida governor went further than he has before in acknowledging that the election was not stolen as a major donor pressured him to appeal to moderates.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/04/us/politics/desantis-trump-election-2020.html
Haley changes tune, calls Trump 'reckless'
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/12/trump-indictment-gop-criticism-00101597
Hurd: Let me be crystal clear: Trumps presidential bid is driven by an attempt to stay out of prison and scam his supporters into footing his legal bills. Furthermore, his denial of the 2020 election results and actions on Jan. 6 show hes unfit for office.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/eyes-2024-gop-presidential-hopefuls-react-trumps-indictment-rcna97695
Ramaswamy & Scott have not flipped ... yet.
This is a time they can have 'fun' with the rhetoric "weaponizing the government".
But when the cases start, the prosecution goes first. There will be weeks of facts, testimony (by many Republicans), audio, video, etc and the weaponizing claims become more hollow against the proven facts. We know there is little defense to come. Trump funding will fall off further.
Before that, we'll have more "Eu Tu Brute" moments.
As people find out, his funding will drop off while the GOP scramble to find someone that might help restore the Oval Office to their control.
Some MAGA will still donate when he's in jail. So it is not going to completely stop.