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TomWilm

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115. You can quote Jesus as a militant, or quote him as a pacifist ...

Wed Aug 9, 2023, 11:15 AM

Aug 2023

The pastors can claim Jesus always wanted to turn the other cheek. But if their congregants actually had read the Bible, they could contradict with the Christian Sword verses, where Jesus said: Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth:

“I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.“
Matthew 10:24-36

Brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death.
Matthew 10:21-23

Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.”
— Gospel of Luke 22:36-38

Plenty to pick from. I prefer the pacifist Jesus, but know there are other versions...

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Pastor alarmed after Trump-loving congregants deride Jesus' teachings as 'weak' [View all] William769 Aug 2023 OP

Turning on Jesus? madashelltoo Aug 2023 #1

It burbs my ass that they gave hihacked relidion all these years William769 Aug 2023 #4

When you're a rabid dog... dlk Aug 2023 #90

THIS!!! calimary Aug 2023 #137

Amen to that! dlk Aug 2023 #150

beatitudes have been deleted too. pansypoo53219 Aug 2023 #203

Why am I not surprised. calimary Aug 2023 #207

Cruelty had replaced their belief in the common good dlk Aug 2023 #225

Trump has made them abandon their faith..... diverdownjt Aug 2023 #221

"How can they not see what is happening directly to them?" Effete Snob Aug 2023 #227

it's the baptists, as always azureblue Aug 2023 #183

Woke Jesus isn't the real Jesus Zorro Aug 2023 #2

LOL if only the nimwits could actually comprehend what it means to be woke onetexan Aug 2023 #75

MAGAts want this guy EYESORE 9001 Aug 2023 #3

... William769 Aug 2023 #5

and we thought buddy christ was bad. mopinko Aug 2023 #8

I'd take Buddy Christ in a heartbeat... nt kimmylavin Aug 2023 #156

That Jeebus isn't white enough. LakeArenal Aug 2023 #12

Dolph Lundgren wasn't available, apparently EYESORE 9001 Aug 2023 #18

Today's American evangelical christianity is the past's conversion by sword sanatanadharma Aug 2023 #6

Only in the OT! True Blue American Aug 2023 #19

True and they do not have the time nor ego to evangelize instead leaving all to the Lord sanatanadharma Aug 2023 #26

Amen! True Blue American Aug 2023 #170

Not for the better part of 2000 years Effete Snob Aug 2023 #31

Enlightened Christians follow True Blue American Aug 2023 #171

Okay, let's talk about Jesus' words in the New Testament Effete Snob Aug 2023 #173

Where did you get True Blue American Aug 2023 #176

Oh, so she was a prostitute now, eh? Effete Snob Aug 2023 #179

Was he lying? True Blue American Aug 2023 #185

Where does it say she was a prostitute? Effete Snob Aug 2023 #187

There is a story where Jesus told a woman to go and sin no more Prof. Toru Tanaka Aug 2023 #212

Not during the Crusades, they didn't. yardwork Aug 2023 #43

Or subjugation of the New World Effete Snob Aug 2023 #58

And so forth and so on... yardwork Aug 2023 #59

Yep! mountain grammy Aug 2023 #67

Don't forget that the tanks in the Blitzkrieg SCantiGOP Aug 2023 #97

Or in that film clip of that priest blessing the ravening hordes from Mussolini's balcony. NBachers Aug 2023 #128

Yep Effete Snob Aug 2023 #133

Scripturally, that's true soldierant Aug 2023 #168

There's Power in the Blood, In the Blood of the Lamb MagickMuffin Aug 2023 #81

You also engaged in ritual cannibalism, temporary311 Aug 2023 #157

The Supper or Communion has been debated WalkerinSC Aug 2023 #161

Please don't repeat that old trope stuck in the middle Aug 2023 #178

Doesn't that presume that the people saying these things are fundies? Renew Deal Aug 2023 #209

Deplorable isn't it? NoMoreRepugs Aug 2023 #7

Worship of the golden calf, that section they get! Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #94

Okay atreides1 Aug 2023 #9

The Slobfather is their new gawd malaise Aug 2023 #10

They did build a golden idol of him and had it on display. nattyice Aug 2023 #45

Lest we forget! 2naSalit Aug 2023 #106

Bwaaaaaaah malaise Aug 2023 #119

Ah yes, golden Big Boy/Jesus statue. Xavier Breath Aug 2023 #141

Shades of Trump Magats NowISeetheLight Aug 2023 #205

If True RobinA Aug 2023 #11

President Trump walks across Lafayette Park to St. John's Church stuck in the middle Aug 2023 #13

Pastors should ask when did they stop worshipping Jesus and turned to halfulglas Aug 2023 #14

They finally dispose of the hypocrisy. We've always known this... OneGrassRoot Aug 2023 #15

Organized Fundamentalist Christianity is poison. roamer65 Aug 2023 #16

Yes, but not usually by the Presbyterians or Methodists or Episcopalians or Lutheran or LiberalArkie Aug 2023 #72

True. There are non-extremists. roamer65 Aug 2023 #80

A word about Martin Luther Effete Snob Aug 2023 #108

Jesus was about the most woke man in history! How the hypocrisy doesn't kill them is amazing! Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #95

If "woke" includes eternal punishment for various infractions Effete Snob Aug 2023 #111

To that point, why aren't the trump-loving colorado_ufo Aug 2023 #147

That should be obvious Effete Snob Aug 2023 #152

Good one! colorado_ufo Aug 2023 #163

Reap what you sow, assholes. (nt) Paladin Aug 2023 #17

GOP Jesus Johnny2X2X Aug 2023 #20

An oldie, but a goody! geardaddy Aug 2023 #42

It's not Christianity. Hasn't been for decades. It's a religion of hate and bigotry Roland99 Aug 2023 #21

Agree, 100%! True Blue American Aug 2023 #25

It's more in line with traditional Christianity Effete Snob Aug 2023 #30

Yep! Well Said!! MayReasonRule Aug 2023 #33

They fought wars against their former masters. stuck in the middle Aug 2023 #52

Exactly! mountain grammy Aug 2023 #65

The OT was written True Blue American Aug 2023 #172

Yes, and? Effete Snob Aug 2023 #184

And what? I described what christians follow. True Blue American Aug 2023 #190

Did Jesus believe the Old Testament? Effete Snob Aug 2023 #191

Am I the only heathen enjoying a bit of schadenfreude with my morning coffee? -nt CrispyQ Aug 2023 #22

Fellow heathen here--right with you. pandr32 Aug 2023 #101

It takes some big huevos sarisataka Aug 2023 #23

Oh, boy. What trump has wrought. Is he our national comeuppance... brush Aug 2023 #24

They are members of "Club 666" NCjack Aug 2023 #55

LONG before he came down the escalator Cosmocat Aug 2023 #93

They DROVE sane people out of their congregations Effete Snob Aug 2023 #27

Next these pastors will be alarmed when their congregants ask them to create a woman for them Bristlecone Aug 2023 #28

If I had to choose, I'd rather hang out with the Monster than these people. yardwork Aug 2023 #37

I have to laugh at this vlyons Aug 2023 #29

I don't think there's anything wrong Elessar Zappa Aug 2023 #91

There's plenty wrong with those beliefs vlyons Aug 2023 #105

If we go after those beliefs then we'll lose a big part of our base. Elessar Zappa Aug 2023 #110

Weak Jesus Charlie Chapulin Aug 2023 #32

welcome to du dembotoz Aug 2023 #40

This may be a non-sequitur. . . Collimator Aug 2023 #99

Agreed, but it's a shame none of us will probably see it happen in our lifetimes. intheflow Aug 2023 #123

These idiots are not Christians relayerbob Aug 2023 #34

They're not Christians. They aren't following Jesus. yardwork Aug 2023 #35

They made up a god just like themselves to worship. mwb970 Aug 2023 #41

Oh yes they are Effete Snob Aug 2023 #54

Oh yes they are!!! mountain grammy Aug 2023 #74

Germany was the home of the Protestant Reformation Effete Snob Aug 2023 #83

They can pick and choose.. mountain grammy Aug 2023 #89

That was Martin Luther. True Blue American Aug 2023 #174

Yes, he wrote the Jew-killing manual Effete Snob Aug 2023 #180

Have I said I was Lutheran? True Blue American Aug 2023 #188

No, did I say you were a Lutheran? Effete Snob Aug 2023 #189

You are describing True Blue American Aug 2023 #192

Martin Luther and Hitler are not Democrats Effete Snob Aug 2023 #193

I wouldn't even waste my time with this know-it-all, you must've hurt his feefees earlier bc 2live is 2fly Aug 2023 #204

Been there, done that. stuck in the middle Aug 2023 #206

Yep. The other "good Christians" put him in a concentration camp and killed him. Caliman73 Aug 2023 #177

Oh, funny irony.... Effete Snob Aug 2023 #195

It's no surprise that... stuck in the middle Aug 2023 #201

It depends on what you mean by "American Christianity" Renew Deal Aug 2023 #211

Jesus Slaves? czarjak Aug 2023 #220

I tell my evangelical family members that Trump is the antiChrist. flying_wahini Aug 2023 #36

They are both politicians. There is no antichrist except reality/science. Maru Kitteh Aug 2023 #51

One thing you might also mention Effete Snob Aug 2023 #60

He doesn't fit the description of the antichrist. Mariana Aug 2023 #142

We often use the phrase 'heresy bordering on apostasy' Torchlight Aug 2023 #159

I once had an article that took it point by point slightlv Aug 2023 #218

It is amazing to observe what religion does to people. mwb970 Aug 2023 #38

Religion is intended to control people. pandr32 Aug 2023 #114

Woke Jesus. twodogsbarking Aug 2023 #39

Jesus is Fake News. Trump is the real deal dalton99a Aug 2023 #44

... William769 Aug 2023 #46

Ho. Lee. Crap! Charlie Chapulin Aug 2023 #48

Imagine that top one but with Biden's picture. Qutzupalotl Aug 2023 #112

There is no Christianity that is not selective. Guy was all over the place, said Maru Kitteh Aug 2023 #47

Jesus is the original "woke" guy. milestogo Aug 2023 #49

except they'd never say believe in me, worship me or it's an eternity of hellish damnation & torture Celerity Aug 2023 #169

Really? allegorical oracle Aug 2023 #50

This is news? Their congregants have been rejecting the teachings of Jesus AllyCat Aug 2023 #53

i have always feared this dembotoz Aug 2023 #56

Absolutely Effete Snob Aug 2023 #57

I did not get my Soros money... Moostache Aug 2023 #78

he must be richer than god...gop claims he funds everything dembotoz Aug 2023 #92

It's like watching the congregation taking off their human skins and revealing their Baitball Blogger Aug 2023 #61

Fake xtians, ever the persistent bathtub ring on America Artcatt Aug 2023 #62

Gee Russell. Ya think? Scrivener7 Aug 2023 #63

Glad to hear MOMFUDSKI Aug 2023 #64

If there is a hell we will both be surprised. SledDriver Aug 2023 #66

Didn't matter to them Old Crank Aug 2023 #68

Is that so different than Muslim radicalization? Our own Christian Taliban, radicalized watching Fox ffr Aug 2023 #69

It's just that they've converted to another religion ToxMarz Aug 2023 #70

Who knew Jesus was woke? Bayard Aug 2023 #71

Reap what you sow... surfered Aug 2023 #73

They've sowed this for a long, long time Effete Snob Aug 2023 #118

Womp womp! hatrack Aug 2023 #76

It doesn't surprise me in the least. Richard58 Aug 2023 #77

Ain't no "almost worship' in this....its full on idolatry. Moostache Aug 2023 #82

Gimme that old time religion... Effete Snob Aug 2023 #121

Better get used to it. We now have Trump-centric christians, whatever they are. Martin68 Aug 2023 #79

It really shouldn't surprise these pastors...unless they were just not paying attention PortTack Aug 2023 #84

Nonstop Agitprop from waking to sleeping has that effect. mn9driver Aug 2023 #85

They should have heeded the words of Goethe's Sorcerer's Apprentice DFW Aug 2023 #86

Genie's out of that dysfunctional bottle. Pacifist Patriot Aug 2023 #87

William769.... Upthevibe Aug 2023 #88

Louis says Kennah Aug 2023 #96

"Originalist" Constitutionalists, but the Gospel "doesn't work anymore." malthaussen Aug 2023 #98

Is The Declaration Of Independence Next? OhioTim Aug 2023 #100

Pastor Moore had better start lifting weights... dchill Aug 2023 #102

Cutting into their grift Wild blueberry Aug 2023 #103

Where the hell has this guy been? BlueIdaho Aug 2023 #104

If only this was a story from The Onion WestMichRad Aug 2023 #107

I was expecting to see the Onion ecstatic Aug 2023 #210

This should not be a surprise. Trump's been hammering this for quite some time. lees1975 Aug 2023 #109

Was that pastor cloistered in a monastery somewhere? Orrex Aug 2023 #113

Denial Effete Snob Aug 2023 #116

That definitely sounds on-brand Orrex Aug 2023 #196

You can quote Jesus as a militant, or quote him as a pacifist ... TomWilm Aug 2023 #115

Yup Effete Snob Aug 2023 #117

That's not the full text of Luke 22:36-38, and it makes a difference. intheflow Aug 2023 #132

So Jesus is no pacifist, but set the rules for a well regulated militia ... TomWilm Aug 2023 #148

Obviously, he had no problem with open carry Effete Snob Aug 2023 #164

Jesus replied, "Screw the swords and go buy some AR-15s with 100 round drum magazines!" Ray Bruns Aug 2023 #222

If the Bible was clear about what it means to be a Christian Mariana Aug 2023 #145

People in power or who want power, have always used systems to try to control people. Caliman73 Aug 2023 #120

+ Effete Snob Aug 2023 #125

These Evangelicals are likely the same ilk that went after John Lennon SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2023 #122

You are more accurate than you know Effete Snob Aug 2023 #130

Christofascism on the rise Wicked Blue Aug 2023 #124

What did they expect? mgardener Aug 2023 #126

Paging Dr. Frankenstein, Dr. Frankenstein to the ICU stat /nt localroger Aug 2023 #127

Who needs Jesus when they've got The Golden Trump? tanyev Aug 2023 #129

Onwards Christian soldiers Racygrandma Aug 2023 #131

Trump is the Antichrist Native Aug 2023 #134

Churches only have themselves to blame for mixing religion with politics. cstanleytech Aug 2023 #135

What did they think was going to happen? Aristus Aug 2023 #136

+ Effete Snob Aug 2023 #139

Really, it's profoundly dishonest for them to pretend to be surprised by this. Mariana Aug 2023 #143

Their strong Messiah keithbvadu2 Aug 2023 #138

'following Jesus' command to 'turn the other cheek' has 'gotten us nothing'' keithbvadu2 Aug 2023 #140

Trump humping "Christians" reject the teachings of Jesus Christ??!!! Martin Eden Aug 2023 #144

It only gets worse from here. The Grand Illuminist Aug 2023 #146

It's taken them this long to realize that. republianmushroom Aug 2023 #149

These are the same people who believe God makes people rich because he loves them more. GoCubsGo Aug 2023 #151

Pastors are only just now noticing the Christianity-Republican disconnect?? Beartracks Aug 2023 #153

Pastors are only just now noticing the Christianity-Republican disconnect?? Beartracks Aug 2023 #154

The don't read the Bible TexasBushwhacker Aug 2023 #155

Uh huh. If your congregation sleeps with dogs you all get fleas. nt GoodRaisin Aug 2023 #158

Holy shit, these idiots are even stupider and more deranged than I thought. Initech Aug 2023 #160

It is a combination of the Prosperity Gospel and Dominionism. SamKnause Aug 2023 #162

"this has led him to conclude that American evangelical Christianity is now in crisis" drmeow Aug 2023 #165

*yawn* move along, nothing new to see here, SSDD Hestia Aug 2023 #166

you guys created this monster. AllaN01Bear Aug 2023 #167

maybe they need to switch to worshipping Crom, like Conan the Barbarian anarch Aug 2023 #175

Russell is finally seeing KentuckyWoman Aug 2023 #181

I have a feeling legitimate Republican Christians are going to dump Trump very soon. honest.abe Aug 2023 #182

Who are these "legitimate Republican Christians" you speak of? durablend Aug 2023 #223

The ones who are not criticizing Jesus for being weak. honest.abe Aug 2023 #224

I guess Trump is the antichrist MistakenLamb Aug 2023 #186

That's the remarkable paradox, innit? Effete Snob Aug 2023 #194

I always say there's a reason dim donnie shares initials and letter counts Grokenstein Aug 2023 #199

Whoa Effete Snob Aug 2023 #202

Maybe they need to rewrite the Ten Commandments Best_man23 Aug 2023 #197

Heads up mamacita75 Aug 2023 #198

Ha! I knew an MK in grad school. stuck in the middle Aug 2023 #200

The Bible doesn't work anymore? Renew Deal Aug 2023 #208

Multiple Pastors, no way ewcordon Aug 2023 #213

Care to explain how you know this William769 Aug 2023 #214

The telling has a "based on a true story" feel Effete Snob Aug 2023 #226

Want to see a Right-Winger's head explode? Seinan Sensei Aug 2023 #215

Most of them came for the water to be turned into wine. C Moon Aug 2023 #216

'Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak.'" hadEnuf Aug 2023 #217

They're just now noticing? Serious question. Solly Mack Aug 2023 #219

This made me chuckle a bit. Handler Aug 2023 #228