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172. Then the dad would have died

Wed Aug 16, 2023, 08:45 AM

Aug 2023

Correction officers carry guns on the way to and from work. But in that case, it would have been self-defense. Tragedy all around.

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Dad shoots, kills Dept. of Corrections truck driver who fatally struck son, police say [View all] BlueWaveNeverEnd Aug 2023 OP

Horrible tragedy.... TheRealNorth Aug 2023 #1

tragedy with only one accident. One death was intentional. ZonkerHarris Aug 2023 #90

Too many people think that guns are the be all, end all solutions to problems. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #2

I hope so dflprincess Aug 2023 #4

I agree, he acted out of impulse instead of logic. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #8

Yes, I agree. shrike3 Aug 2023 #18

I'd disagree... this type would have grabbed a tire iron. WarGamer Aug 2023 #22

Quite possibly true, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #24

Moreover... just incredibly sad. WarGamer Aug 2023 #29

100+. nt MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #39

He would have had a total chance of defending himself Polybius Aug 2023 #175

then driver and father would have been more evenly matched to fight it out BlueWaveNeverEnd Aug 2023 #33

The father, in a black-out state of rage and adrenaline... WarGamer Aug 2023 #37

Do tire iron deaths in other countries equal... W_HAMILTON Aug 2023 #41

Then the dad would have died Polybius Aug 2023 #172

'Impulse' rationale is lost when he took the truck and went home instead of waiting for the police. keithbvadu2 Aug 2023 #45

100+. nt MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #46

I don't know ForgedCrank Aug 2023 #153

It was 630 am and they were walking in the middle of a country road obamanut2012 Aug 2023 #176

Show me ForgedCrank Aug 2023 #183

A crafty lawyer could frame the shooting as self-defense. A jury could believe it. LonePirate Aug 2023 #9

...except driver had already called 911, then shot BlueWaveNeverEnd Aug 2023 #11

A crafty lawyer... stuck in the middle Aug 2023 #26

For sure! Lol, I'd never heard of Spielberg and was flabbergasted Hortensis Aug 2023 #124

Nah. The father was IMO negligent in not making sure his... brush Aug 2023 #28

In Illinois the pedestrian always has the right of way questionseverything Aug 2023 #44

Of course pedestrians do, but if you want to live ecstatic Aug 2023 #56

Literally everyone is blaming the father for the driver negligently running over a child questionseverything Aug 2023 #60

So the father was justified in shooting and killing the driver? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #66

I didn't say anything about the shooting but questionseverything Aug 2023 #68

So,like I said, you've already determined that the driver was at fault MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #70

Well I'm pretty sure the white corrections officer questionseverything Aug 2023 #72

Oh, so now the racist card is thrown. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #73

Would it be the first time white cops cover for each other? questionseverything Aug 2023 #75

And you know this is the case......................How? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #76

I'm saying I probably won't trust this investigation questionseverything Aug 2023 #79

.... MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #80

This thread. BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #206

You and some others seem to have jumped to the conclusion Bettie Aug 2023 #106

+1 MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #108

He was at fault for running out of gas. If he had been as concerned about gas ecstatic Aug 2023 #71

I read the article the kid was a teenager not a 3 year old questionseverything Aug 2023 #74

I think you're missing my point ecstatic Aug 2023 #77

I'm not saying the father used perfect judgment but questionseverything Aug 2023 #78

And suppose the driver was coming over a hill and had no time to react? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #82

The road has limited sight lines in spots Red Mountain Aug 2023 #115

We have hills and curves in Illinois too questionseverything Aug 2023 #125

I'll drive the stretch of road tomorrow and let you know Red Mountain Aug 2023 #136

I personally have never hit a deer, I don't know anyone that has but I'm sure it happens questionseverything Aug 2023 #141

What part of Illinois do you live in? Red Mountain Aug 2023 #159

Other posters from the area said that would be a busy questionseverything Aug 2023 #160

Correct. Not true. It's not a busy road. Red Mountain Aug 2023 #161

I just don't get how the driver didn't see three people in the middle of the road questionseverything Aug 2023 #166

I'd guess tired or distracted Red Mountain Aug 2023 #174

I would agree but both of those reasons make it the driver's responsibility questionseverything Aug 2023 #194

I had two encounters. usonian Aug 2023 #163

Paved road surfaces are like ice for their hooves Red Mountain Aug 2023 #173

When I visited family in rural New Jersey ecstatic Aug 2023 #180

I've had a deer run into ME. BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #181

That's what happened to me. usonian Aug 2023 #182

That sounds almost identical to what happened to a friend of mine! BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #187

So you don't think the father should've looked out for the... brush Aug 2023 #86

How does the cop/ driver not see three people in the middle of the road? questionseverything Aug 2023 #92

What were the road conditions? Was it at night, around a curve? brush Aug 2023 #99

I missed hitting a cow on I-25 in southern New Mexico, just barely-- Wingus Dingus Aug 2023 #127

It wasn't dark or rainy though, it was dawn and clear questionseverything Aug 2023 #128

This poor guy is dead. Maybe we'll never know how much he was responsible for Wingus Dingus Aug 2023 #130

Accidents are one person's negligence meeting its natural consequence questionseverything Aug 2023 #132

No, that's not true, we all have merely human capabilities and senses and brains. Wingus Dingus Aug 2023 #133

If you couldn't see it you were going too fast for conditions questionseverything Aug 2023 #145

Yes, I was going too fast to see the shine of cow eyeballs in my Wingus Dingus Aug 2023 #150

Maybe reading his cell phone questionseverything Aug 2023 #140

Yes, comparative negligence can exist treestar Aug 2023 #146

That just isn't true. Ace Rothstein Aug 2023 #134

I may be saying it wrong but I'm sure you don't get to run over a questionseverything Aug 2023 #144

you don't, but it does not mean treestar Aug 2023 #148

Unless you're being negligent, you're probably not going to be charged. Ace Rothstein Aug 2023 #154

so in violation of a statute treestar Aug 2023 #147

Yeah, I don't think you can go run someone over on purpose and get away with it. Ace Rothstein Aug 2023 #155

He could have been in violation of a statute too treestar Aug 2023 #190

They were in the middle of the road obamanut2012 Aug 2023 #178

I don't know. That's the worst thing a parent could ever go through. jimfields33 Aug 2023 #15

True... and why it's a bad idea to carry a gun around. Happy Hoosier Aug 2023 #31

Father should've made sure all walking on the side of the road... brush Aug 2023 #19

I agree, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #23

"it's not like the correctional officer purposely veered off the road to hit this kid" MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #107

It is not that simple either. treestar Aug 2023 #149

Maybe the father thought the driver did it deliberately questionseverything Aug 2023 #167

Why would people care about others taking a dangerous action? Ace Rothstein Aug 2023 #168

Again.... So why couldn't the driver see them and avoid running over the teen and killing him? questionseverything Aug 2023 #197

over time it could have gotten darker treestar Aug 2023 #189

It was daybreak, getting lighter questionseverything Aug 2023 #193

I'd Leave The Man Go The Magistrate Aug 2023 #3

then we all get away with gunning down motorists after accidents? BlueWaveNeverEnd Aug 2023 #7

I Repeat, I Would Leave The Man Go The Magistrate Aug 2023 #13

They were walking down the middle of the road. Kaleva Aug 2023 #17

So What? The Magistrate Aug 2023 #21

Vigilante justice is ancient too Kaleva Aug 2023 #27

you don't get to do that in our society Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #32

Jesus, I am a self defense guy, but this kind of thinking is dangerous. bottomofthehill Aug 2023 #35

Does the truck driver's family get to kill someone now? Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2023 #48

Lol! BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #51

No MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #109

gallows humour Celerity Aug 2023 #139

Then we'd be talking about... stuck in the middle Aug 2023 #25

Disagree. It is not just about the father. What about the suffering of the Driver's family? yowzayowzayowza Aug 2023 #34

So... you'd kill someone over an accident? Happy Hoosier Aug 2023 #36

The negligence was hitting and killing a pedestrian questionseverything Aug 2023 #57

So you're basically exonerating the father for shooting and killing the driver? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #58

That's not what I said at all but the driver hit and killed a human being questionseverything Aug 2023 #63

You have jumped to the conclusion that the driver was negligent, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #65

You have jumped to the conclusion MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #111

A pass? He's dead. BannonsLiver Aug 2023 #118

I'm not addressing anything that happened after the child was hit and killed questionseverything Aug 2023 #120

Well you won't have to worry about him doing that again. BannonsLiver Aug 2023 #121

nobody is OK with that treestar Aug 2023 #151

He is in the cop crew and he is white questionseverything Aug 2023 #152

Their crime is one of them murdered someone likely due to their negligence. Ace Rothstein Aug 2023 #157

I have never given the father a pass questionseverything Aug 2023 #158

accidents are not "murder" treestar Aug 2023 #165

didn't know the races treestar Aug 2023 #164

If you didn't know the races then you didn't watch the news reports questionseverything Aug 2023 #195

The facts of what happened treestar Aug 2023 #205

I did not know anything until this about who treestar Aug 2023 #191

+1 Celerity Aug 2023 #138

So if a pedestrian is hit, it's always the driver's fault? Happy Hoosier Aug 2023 #59

The pedestrian always has the right of way questionseverything Aug 2023 #62

There are PLENTY of cases... Happy Hoosier Aug 2023 #64

All the driver had to do was slow down or stop questionseverything Aug 2023 #67

OFFS.... Happy Hoosier Aug 2023 #69

this happened to me tonight orleans Aug 2023 #88

Are you saying the three people walking ran in front of the questionseverything Aug 2023 #93

no, i'm not saying the kid ran in front of the truck. i heard they were walking down the middle of orleans Aug 2023 #110

Wow. The interesting thing is you saw him before you knew it ecstatic Aug 2023 #95

Driver is dead, because he stopped. haele Aug 2023 #198

It was not a three year old, it was a teen questionseverything Aug 2023 #199

I've heard both? Still, a blind curve or hill, at highway speeds, it's difficult to see. haele Aug 2023 #201

In the op there is a video from abc news questionseverything Aug 2023 #202

Pedestrians in the middle of the road? Could've been at nignt... brush Aug 2023 #102

And then stolen the dead man's truck? BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #53

That's A Bit Much The Magistrate Aug 2023 #55

All good to shoot a man who hit someone walking in the road in low light, huh? BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #97

I sympathize with a grieving parent, Sir. yardwork Aug 2023 #101

Murder ok but you draw the line at grand theft auto. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2023 #196

Not one of your better takes. BannonsLiver Aug 2023 #117

He stole the truck snd left his kid in the road obamanut2012 Aug 2023 #143

lock him up... throw away the key. And add Grand Theft Auto charges to the rest of the family. WarGamer Aug 2023 #5

Wow AKwannabe Aug 2023 #6

Yeah Solomon Aug 2023 #12

Really uncharacteristic and strange. Wingus Dingus Aug 2023 #43

Yeah, I was wondering that myself, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #49

Definitely not the regular Magistrate. Where's all the Sir/Madam MerryBlooms Aug 2023 #81

I agree senseandsensibility Aug 2023 #83

Well, he's doubled down on it elsewhere in this thread. BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #98

Agreed. Doesn't seem like the familiar, always sensible poster we know. brush Aug 2023 #103

So he's not "sensible," MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #113

Since he's advocating for a killer and truck thief to not... brush Aug 2023 #123

you are very new here, so you likely do not understand that The Magistrate almost ALWAYS uses sir Celerity Aug 2023 #185

+10000000000000000 Celerity Aug 2023 #184

Not really obamanut2012 Aug 2023 #169

he lost his own son a while back Kali Aug 2023 #85

Didn't know that. Even so, its still surprising. Solomon Aug 2023 #94

The truck driver did what we're told to do in an accident: call 911. The father was sinkingfeeling Aug 2023 #10

They were walking down the middle of a 2 lane road? The yellow line? There were cut grass shoulders. TheBlackAdder Aug 2023 #14

That happens a lot where I live. shrike3 Aug 2023 #20

Stroads Act_of_Reparation Aug 2023 #84

While I have a CPL, I don't carry a loaded gun in public Kaleva Aug 2023 #16

Very wise decision on your part, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #42

The odds of something bad happening if I were to carry .. . Kaleva Aug 2023 #47

Person County is not an unpopulated rural area. It's just north of Durham ms liberty Aug 2023 #30

A true tragedy. bluedigger Aug 2023 #38

I agree Deuxcents Aug 2023 #40

It will really get interesting when they attempt "stand your ground" on cops! LeftInTX Aug 2023 #50

Jesus. This thread leftstreet Aug 2023 #52

Agree. I brought it on myself, though, opening to find out how Hortensis Aug 2023 #122

He should have shot himself too. Ran out of gas? ecstatic Aug 2023 #54

John Gotti had the man who fatally struck his son killed. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2023 #61

The father killed his son JI7 Aug 2023 #87

murdering scum with a gun. ZonkerHarris Aug 2023 #89

Running out of gas happens when you are poor also. Bluesaph Aug 2023 #91

A little more info.. Captain Stern Aug 2023 #96

Thanks for posting that. yardwork Aug 2023 #100

Hmmm... very weird. Yep, this wasn't an emotional/grief killing. Wingus Dingus Aug 2023 #104

I think it was an emotional killing, but I think there's more going on, too. yardwork Aug 2023 #105

What makes you say that? SYFROYH Aug 2023 #114

They don't usually involve 911 calls beforehand for a family seemingly trying to get hit Wingus Dingus Aug 2023 #126

If I watched someone kill my son I might get weird, too. SYFROYH Aug 2023 #129

You wouldn't just be in terrible shock that an accident just happened? Wingus Dingus Aug 2023 #131

When a truck runs over a child, there might not be any doubt. SYFROYH Aug 2023 #135

I would never leave my dead child on the side of the road Snooper9 Aug 2023 #162

All of you saying that make it seems like it was murder obamanut2012 Aug 2023 #170

If what I said makes you think it sounded like murder -- thats about you. SYFROYH Aug 2023 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Aug 2023 #119

That's insane. They left their child at the scene?! ecstatic Aug 2023 #137

that is strange BlueWaveNeverEnd Aug 2023 #156

I don't know if I could control myself (gun or no gun) if I watched someone kill my son. SYFROYH Aug 2023 #112

The father killed his son obamanut2012 Aug 2023 #171

Not according to the facts as reported. SYFROYH Aug 2023 #177

Yes, he did -- the father killed his son obamanut2012 Aug 2023 #186

Where I come from drivers are responsible for not hitting pedestrians in the road. SYFROYH Aug 2023 #188

I just looked up "Dink Ashley Rd near Timberlake NC" on google maps. yardwork Aug 2023 #192

What does that have to do with anything? obamanut2012 Aug 2023 #203

Dad is going to prison, as he should BannonsLiver Aug 2023 #116

This was not a hit and run obamanut2012 Aug 2023 #142

The unfortunate result of this is that people will hit and run for fear of losing their lives. Baitball Blogger Aug 2023 #200

This nt XanaDUer2 Aug 2023 #204

This is why some people leave the scene of an accident Polybius Aug 2023 #207