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Hekate

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22. Burning a cross in someone's front yard is not "protected speech" and this is similar in intent

Fri Sep 1, 2023, 12:27 PM

Sep 2023

The intent being terrorism.

Leaving a noose in someone’s workplace is also not “protected speech.” Instead is is classifoed as “hate speech.”

I could go on, but I hope you get my point.

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Has it been discovered who built the hanging stand and noose? [View all] mysteryowl Sep 2023 OP

Good question Mz Pip Sep 2023 #1

Good question Ohioboy Sep 2023 #2

Unlikely to be prosecutable. Happy Hoosier Sep 2023 #3

Oh, I didn't know it was only a prop and would not work. mysteryowl Sep 2023 #4

Yeah, Made of plywood and a few 4x4's... Happy Hoosier Sep 2023 #6

I guess they figured what with Mike Pence being a lightweight and all... Aristus Sep 2023 #27

It was braced Blues Heron Sep 2023 #33

It would not have worked. former9thward Sep 2023 #52

It's like the bat signal - the minute the gallows gets brought up, the gaslighting begins. Blues Heron Sep 2023 #55

Gaslighting by someone who was there? former9thward Sep 2023 #64

A 4x4 would absolutely support a body. And with that short span, even a LuckyCharms Sep 2023 #42

it was very real. The gaslighting continues though. Good thing we have pics Blues Heron Sep 2023 #45

It looked like it would have done the job via strangulation. LuckyCharms Sep 2023 #5

Probably not.... Happy Hoosier Sep 2023 #7

It was, but it was strong enough for someone to stand on since it appears LuckyCharms Sep 2023 #8

Possibly, but.... Happy Hoosier Sep 2023 #9

Well, they could have put his head in the noose, kicked him off of the platform, and LuckyCharms Sep 2023 #11

Except of course for the heavily armed Secret Service accompanying him. brooklynite Sep 2023 #32

They could have put anyone they wanted to in that noose. LuckyCharms Sep 2023 #36

They didn't need to stand on the platform ExWhoDoesntCare Sep 2023 #57

There's several pics of people standing on it. Like this: LuckyCharms Sep 2023 #62

It would absolutely have held Pelosi obamanut2012 Sep 2023 #21

See #33. wnylib Sep 2023 #39

I'm no lawyer, but wouldn't it be prosecutable for intent to murder, I wonder? mysteryowl Sep 2023 #10

Not and get a conviction, IMO Happy Hoosier Sep 2023 #12

It still speaks to advance planning on excoriating Pence as a supposed traitor. tanyev Sep 2023 #31

Are death threats protected speech? wnylib Sep 2023 #41

Yes, it is protected. former9thward Sep 2023 #53

Really? Death threats are protected speech? wnylib Sep 2023 #61

Specific threats against specific people. former9thward Sep 2023 #63

Well, that's the point of this thread, isn't it? wnylib Sep 2023 #68

What if they led Pence right to their contraption, and he had a heart attack? Judi Lynn Sep 2023 #35

Oh, Ms Judi... mysteryowl Sep 2023 #37

Are people allowed to put a noose and scaffold on the front lawns of people we don't like? Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #18

Burning a cross in someone's front yard is not "protected speech" and this is similar in intent Hekate Sep 2023 #22

When I was reviewing footage for sedition hunters group, others carried ropes inside Bongo Prophet Sep 2023 #13

Noose is a threat much like nooses found on worksites. Prosecute on that basis. cbabe Sep 2023 #14

very good point mysteryowl Sep 2023 #15

Whether merely a prop or not the individual should be exposed for bringing it hlthe2b Sep 2023 #16

Good point mysteryowl Sep 2023 #17

Also what happened to it? localroger Sep 2023 #19

Maybe classified top secret evidence mysteryowl Sep 2023 #24

The FBI has it. femmedem Sep 2023 #28

You do ForgedCrank Sep 2023 #20

3-4 feet tall? I think not Blues Heron Sep 2023 #34

You want ForgedCrank Sep 2023 #46

that bike is 3-4 feet, those people are 5-6 feet tall - that thing is way higher than they are Blues Heron Sep 2023 #48

Hmm... If the floor dropped open it would work mysteryowl Sep 2023 #56

Look again. former9thward Sep 2023 #66

And it's a death threat, just like burning a cross on someone's lawn wnylib Sep 2023 #43

I don't ForgedCrank Sep 2023 #47

did you miss the part where they were trying to kill cops? Blues Heron Sep 2023 #49

No, I ForgedCrank Sep 2023 #51

Doesn't matter who built it. Iggo Sep 2023 #23

Okay, great. I guess that is solved. mysteryowl Sep 2023 #26

Hey, if it bugs you, it bugs you. Iggo Sep 2023 #29

Yep, that too. Yes, explosives is a really big deal! mysteryowl Sep 2023 #38

What hanging stand and noose? Polybius Sep 2023 #25

From J6 mysteryowl Sep 2023 #40

That would suggest to me intent. LiberalFighter Sep 2023 #30

It had a sign on it declaring itself as art or some-such. Gore1FL Sep 2023 #44

would you have volunteered to test it out to show how flimsy it was? doubt it Blues Heron Sep 2023 #50

Really? former9thward Sep 2023 #54

That would not have held together ExWhoDoesntCare Sep 2023 #59

The knot would not have worked. Gore1FL Sep 2023 #65

That is a perfectly functional gallows Mysterian Sep 2023 #58

historically protected speech... common at political rallies and protest marches. WarGamer Sep 2023 #60

It was flimsy and the noose wouldn't have worked GenThePerservering Sep 2023 #67