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OneGrassRoot

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26. First, how do you know that for a fact, or are you presuming?

Tue Sep 5, 2023, 08:39 AM

Sep 2023

Secondly, it seems like even some higher-level J6 defendants (higher in the MAGA foot soldier pyramid) have pointed directly at Trump as being responsible for J6 as part of their defense. That is significant for the prosecutors.

Attorneys for the Proud Boys placed blame for the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol on Donald Trump in closing arguments in their seditious conspiracy trial Tuesday.

An attorney for Enrique Tarrio, the head of the Proud Boys, said federal prosecutors were trying to make him a "scapegoat for Donald J. Trump and for those in power." A lawyer for Joe Biggs said the defendants came to Washington because their "commander-in-chief" told them it would "be wild," referring to Trump's infamous tweet on Dec. 19, 2020, that called on supporters to come to Washington on Jan. 6.

“‘Be there, it’s going to be wild,’ the commander-in-chief said. And so they did,” Norm Pattis, an attorney for Biggs, told jurors, adding that “their commander-in-chief sold them a lie.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/proud-boys-blame-trump-defendants-prepare-find-fate-sedition-trial-rcna81234

The sheer arrogance of the hardcore anti-Garland and pro-Garland or anti/pro anything crowd is what always gets me. The truth is we just don't KNOW...not yet. And perhaps the fact that you don't KNOW by this point what has truly transpired and is transpiring may be the most frustrating issue, which I can respect.

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This whole goddamn mess may turn into the story of the century [View all] Joinfortmill Sep 2023 OP

So true. But the DOJ bashers wanted extremely complex case tried in 2 months. we can do it Sep 2023 #1

Why say something that isn't true? gab13by13 Sep 2023 #4

I never understood the Garland criticisms... Joinfortmill Sep 2023 #12

Precisely. J6 and Garland cleared the path through the woods...impatience is a product of Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2023 #14

One has to investigate first before it can obtain evidence. gab13by13 Sep 2023 #18

Thank you, True Blue American Sep 2023 #23

Then Time doesn't matter to you? gab13by13 Sep 2023 #17

If these comments are directed at me... Joinfortmill Sep 2023 #25

I have no intention to upset you personally, gab13by13 Sep 2023 #27

Try backing up your examples with facts. You may find yourself completely unprepared Beastly Boy Sep 2023 #39

You have lots of facts, but boy some seem to be ganging up in you lostnfound Sep 2023 #49

Agree claudette Sep 2023 #13

Jack Smith was busy prosecuting war criminals at the time...need evidence gathering first... Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2023 #15

I totally agree, gab13by13 Sep 2023 #19

First, how do you know that for a fact, or are you presuming? OneGrassRoot Sep 2023 #26

I have no disrespect for Merrick Garland, gab13by13 Sep 2023 #29

I just don't understand your incessant beating drum... OneGrassRoot Sep 2023 #34

+1 MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2023 #56

WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING MERRICK GARLAND!?!? I'm so sick of these Garland-HATERS! lostnfound Sep 2023 #40

Perhaps read my reply more closely... OneGrassRoot Sep 2023 #45

Armchair AG wnylib Sep 2023 #41

Armchairing law is ok, but better that professionals with knowledge and skills are seated. Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2023 #48

Speculating? Torchlight Sep 2023 #51

That claudette Sep 2023 #52

It is to avoid conflicts of interest. chowder66 Sep 2023 #55

But claudette Sep 2023 #59

ongoing in a myriad of ways vlyons Sep 2023 #28

2 years ago Merrick Garland created a commission to address gab13by13 Sep 2023 #30

. wnylib Sep 2023 #36

DOJ investigation began on January 7 Beastly Boy Sep 2023 #38

"Why was it OK for DOJ to wait so long to begin investigating?" Jarqui Sep 2023 #43

Why assume the poster is referring to you? MineralMan Sep 2023 #46

Thank you! Sky Jewels Sep 2023 #60

No, I'd say they wanted the law to be equally applied. OldBaldy1701E Sep 2023 #6

This. 100% this. 100,000% this. Orrex Sep 2023 #72

There are only, like, nine of them, but they do seem unable to Scrivener7 Sep 2023 #74

not true, but Jack Smith seems to understand the urgency required ecstatic Sep 2023 #70

Yes, Jack focuses on the center of the conspiracy right now but it has tentacles far and wide bucolic_frolic Sep 2023 #2

Why wait until they leave Congress? gab13by13 Sep 2023 #7

correct. Isn't Ukraine blackmail part of the conspiracy to overturn? Will they stumble upon wiggs Sep 2023 #50

Leave no Stone unturned. czarjak Sep 2023 #3

Ha! tanyev Sep 2023 #21

I hope when the election interference trials and J6 trials are finished TurboDem Sep 2023 #5

It's an extension of the Cold War bucolic_frolic Sep 2023 #8

+1 orangecrush Sep 2023 #32

Mueller already proved it. gab13by13 Sep 2023 #10

I expect there to be many heads to roll... 2naSalit Sep 2023 #9

When Scott Perry is indicted gab13by13 Sep 2023 #11

Yea. No statute of limitations on coup plotting. 1000 indictments already...but not enough, or not Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2023 #16

Garland did a fantastic job prosecuting the unwashed Magats, gab13by13 Sep 2023 #20

It was necessary to serve justice. Beastly Boy Sep 2023 #42

The sentences on the Proud Boy leaders are encouraging, as is the Fani Willis prosecution. lostnfound Sep 2023 #44

No hate speech laws means America is powerless, Canada used the power...look, no coup! Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2023 #47

+1 MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2023 #57

So true! True Blue American Sep 2023 #24

I should hope so: "others could still face legal peril" . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2023 #22

It already IS the Story of the Century. An ex-president, running for office again facing 91 charges. Martin68 Sep 2023 #31

Isn't it already the story of the century? How this one man completely corrupted an entire LymphocyteLover Sep 2023 #33

It's already the story of the century.. mountain grammy Sep 2023 #35

The Return of Fascism, American style, now with 1000 nukes, IS the story of the 21st century. Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2023 #63

Do something about our totally corrupt True Blue American Sep 2023 #37

Lifetime appointments invite corruption GoodRaisin Sep 2023 #58

So that's one of the FIRST things we have to change. calimary Sep 2023 #61

+1 GoodRaisin Sep 2023 #64

THIS!!☝️ onetexan Sep 2023 #77

Pure political partisan appointment is the poison, lifetime was ok when not so poisoned. Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2023 #65

How do you know? GoodRaisin Sep 2023 #68

But the problem with it is - some of these Supremes outlive their relevancy. calimary Sep 2023 #78

I'd like to see Ginni Thomas get hauled in. Talitha Sep 2023 #53

I'd get out the lawn chairs and the cocktail shaker for that! Scrivener7 Sep 2023 #75

Yes, this is huge. Investigations, federal and states', continue.. Hortensis Sep 2023 #54

The loss of coastal Florida cities will be the story of the century. lpbk2713 Sep 2023 #62

That too. Joinfortmill Sep 2023 #66

Faster than light theory confirmed...or anti gravity device...staying positive on the future story! Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2023 #67

I just read a story on this on Raw Story. This is leftyladyfrommo Sep 2023 #69

Just fleecing the sheep. republianmushroom Sep 2023 #71

Trump was right, "You're going to be sick of winning." czarjak Sep 2023 #73

Keeping it in place is right bc there's alot more to unpack onetexan Sep 2023 #76