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Model35mech

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47. That's what happens when you make Grand Compromises.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:41 PM
Sep 2023

Living in WI, I really appreciate the chorus John Prine wrote:

"I used to sleep at the foot of Old Glory
and awake in the dawn's early light.
But much to my surprise, when I opened my eyes
I was a victim of the Great Compromise."

We ended up with 2 senators per state, because to get the Constitution adopted, it was necessary to recognize the notion that the states were -- despite variation in population, economic strength, and foot-print on a map of N. Am-- at least in principle, equal under the law.

If you look at the Constitution as it emerged from the Constitutional Convention of 1787 you will notice that of the 3 branches of government only half of one branch, the legislative branch is determined by popular vote. The executive branch and the judicial branch are not. Democracy in the sense of people electing all those who make up the government isn't the model that the Authors used, and mirroring of the size of a states delegation to Congress in proportion to a states population is imperfect, but never intended to be.

Every state gets at least one representative in the House, and not all the population in a state were counted equally.

These weren't glitches. They were done purposefully to ensure adoption of the Constitution with the hope that our governing document could be influenced by progress towards a more perfect nation.

That progress was slow, as we can see in Oklahoma, where Cherokee Indians just now are getting consideration for a House representative that they were "promised" by treaty (I put that in quotes because a Treaty with an Indian Nation is not a vehicle recognized by the writers of the Constitution and there has been a question whether honoring a promise was Constitutional).

Certainly, such representation may seem 'fair', but you know, when it happens the small size of the indigenous nation would create even wider range in the number of citizens each House delegates represent. At the time the Constitution was written making sure that every state had at least one Representative in the House also seemed fair, no matter how much Californians, and residents of states with multiple great cities kick about it now.

These disparities really do exist, and imo, probably won't be amended away. Now, just as when the Constitution was adopted in Convention, people, especially politically active people in small population states, will not willingly agree to change that reduces their existing representation.

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+ infinity! GreenWave Sep 2023 #1
What is your definition of "hard ball"? LakeArenal Sep 2023 #2
Start calling them out as anti-Democratic JohnSJ Sep 2023 #4
Anti-democratic is their brand. SYFROYH Sep 2023 #31
Say they are "Un-American" instead. "Unpatriotic." Hekate Sep 2023 #32
Much better +++ JohnSJ Sep 2023 #33
"Unpatriotic" on billboards in their districts KS Toronado Sep 2023 #39
my idea if the try it moonshinegnomie Sep 2023 #6
Cant speak for the OP quakerboy Sep 2023 #38
I'm no scholar, but this sounds more hard ball than calling the names. LakeArenal Sep 2023 #40
and we need to play hardball too, in using the 14th amendment to kick out all of those that SWBTATTReg Sep 2023 #3
+1 2naSalit Sep 2023 #28
arrest them all and charge them with insurrection and treason lapfog_1 Sep 2023 #5
I'd like to hear Biden speak to this senseandsensibility Sep 2023 #7
I agree JohnSJ Sep 2023 #8
Wait. The Wisconsin SC justice was removed?!? masmdu Sep 2023 #9
I came here to ask that too. maxsolomon Sep 2023 #10
It's a flaw in the Wisconsin system sab390 Sep 2023 #12
No, the WI Rethugs are trying to do a gambit wherein they impeach her by simple majority, which Celerity Sep 2023 #15
O my! I truly hate what's going on. Dave says Sep 2023 #17
The US & the 50 States' constitutions are riddled with loopholes that can destroy democratic (small Celerity Sep 2023 #23
That's what happens when you make Grand Compromises. Model35mech Sep 2023 #47
like ive said if that happens the dems need to fight back and fight dirty moonshinegnomie Sep 2023 #22
The Complaint Was Dismissed WiVoter Sep 2023 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Sep 2023 #29
I'm from NJ and have been reading for years what this prick Vos has been doing for a very long time. Pepsidog Sep 2023 #11
I'm sorry but if this gets me... Snackshack Sep 2023 #13
Agree PlutosHeart Sep 2023 #18
Thank You DET Sep 2023 #24
thank you! llashram Sep 2023 #14
Has the legislature actually taken any action? Fiendish Thingy Sep 2023 #16
Yes... appmanga Sep 2023 #19
After campaigning on cases that are due before the court ripcord Sep 2023 #20
Wisconsin Democrats Combat Threatened Impeachment of Court Justice With $4M Effort Ford_Prefect Sep 2023 #21
it needs more than money moonshinegnomie Sep 2023 #25
You may benefit from reading the entire story... Ford_Prefect Sep 2023 #27
the GOP doesnt care moonshinegnomie Sep 2023 #30
Voters need to start making GOP elected officials pay Johonny Sep 2023 #34
YES THIS! Bluethroughu Sep 2023 #35
Absolutely. dalton99a Sep 2023 #36
They are. I've already been briefed on this. brooklynite Sep 2023 #37
Is it getting covered? JohnSJ Sep 2023 #44
You knew about it so...yes? brooklynite Sep 2023 #45
Firestorm bigger than act 10 Jamke Sep 2023 #41
Firestorm bigger than act 10 Jamke Sep 2023 #42
Fighting democracy is fighting America mellow Sep 2023 #43
I hear you. But "calling out" Republicans is not hard ball. The voters of WI will not be denied. ancianita Sep 2023 #46
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