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RobinA

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28. I Was In Norway

Mon Sep 18, 2023, 11:38 AM

Sep 2023

last year. They have charging everywhere and apparently a lot of hydroelectric to generate electricity. In general they are a lot more environment-forward than we are, although they are a much smaller country with values leaning more toward what's good for the country than ours are. Also, in Europe in general the gas is much more costly and they tend to drive much smaller cars. My CRV would be a behemoth there.

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America passed the EV 'tipping point' -- but many buyers still want gas [View all] Zorro Sep 2023 OP

I don't want an electric vehicle, so elleng Sep 2023 #1

I want a car I can drive... brooklynite Sep 2023 #2

I too want a car I can drive. elleng Sep 2023 #4

NYC has *NO* charging stations? Nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2023 #7

Extremely few. brooklynite Sep 2023 #11

Really? I lost count when I tried to count them all FreeState Sep 2023 #30

Most of the ones you're seeing are in private garages where my car isn't parked. brooklynite Sep 2023 #35

None of them are private - they are all public FreeState Sep 2023 #54

Really? Tesla has guidance to charging stations and they are all over. LymphocyteLover Sep 2023 #69

But if your car was totaled or stolen tomorrow, what would you replace it with? Fiendish Thingy Sep 2023 #5

If Stolen Or Totalled RobinA Sep 2023 #24

I guess it depends on where you live and drive. Fiendish Thingy Sep 2023 #26

Same here. I'm in AZ and we have a great EV infrastructure that FlyingPiggy Sep 2023 #90

My first car lasted 2 years years when it was crushed in a garage collapse. brooklynite Sep 2023 #92

The Leaf is a hatchback isn't it? And Kia has an EV version of the Soul IIRC. Fiendish Thingy Sep 2023 #96

Your age and availability of new and used gas vehicles will determine that. LiberalFighter Sep 2023 #84

Until there's more infrastructure, Elessar Zappa Sep 2023 #3

which means DonCoquixote Sep 2023 #12

They can't. Biden already signed the bill. It will be done. jimfields33 Sep 2023 #53

Once charging infrastructure is in place Bettie Sep 2023 #6

Our primary vehicle is a gas powered heavy duty truck so we can tow our travel trailer. Wingus Dingus Sep 2023 #8

I have a hybrid, as does my husband. phylny Sep 2023 #9

Hybrids NowISeetheLight Sep 2023 #52

Hybrids offer little. PHEV's though are a real alternative JCMach1 Sep 2023 #105

I wish I could get an EV, but the apartment complex I live in doesn't have catbyte Sep 2023 #10

NOt practical for us, yet, at least not for both vehicles JT45242 Sep 2023 #13

Not switching over until the charging infrastructure is much improved DetroitLegalBeagle Sep 2023 #14

Some of us have to drive what we can afford. BoomaofBandM Sep 2023 #15

Some don't understand that. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2023 #135

Would love a hybrid but no way we can afford one. yorkster Sep 2023 #16

I hate to say this, but I will never buy a car that has a ten thousand dollar battery. onecaliberal Sep 2023 #17

Same here. Mosby Sep 2023 #39

The average household spends over $5K/year on gasoline tinrobot Sep 2023 #41

$10k batteries were a few years ago madville Sep 2023 #47

Price doesn't really matter. Modern batteries will last the lifetime of the vehicle. tinrobot Sep 2023 #77

What would make replacement costs lower? madville Sep 2023 #88

I spend about $60. a month on gas. I live close to work. Not even close to 2% of my salary. onecaliberal Sep 2023 #74

You don't need to spend anywhere near $60K. tinrobot Sep 2023 #75

Not buying a used one; and I'm not opposed, but I will be waiting for now. onecaliberal Sep 2023 #99

Interesting. I wonder how much recharging an EV costs Bucky Sep 2023 #103

I charge my PHEV in my carport. The charger is in the garage. We have not noticed any higher elec. Liberal In Texas Sep 2023 #110

That $5,000 figure is misleading without the context. sl8 Sep 2023 #117

That $5,000 /year figure is very misleading. sl8 Sep 2023 #119

My next new vehicle will be an EV. Get use to it, Emile Sep 2023 #18

Is there something unique about Norway? I skimmed the article and it doesn't look like... keep_left Sep 2023 #19

I Was In Norway RobinA Sep 2023 #28

I Don't Get The Resistance To Plug-In Hybrids ProfessorGAC Sep 2023 #20

I think they represent a bit of an "odd" middle ground. Caliman73 Sep 2023 #22

From My Standpoint RobinA Sep 2023 #29

I've got a PHEV and I just plug in at home . . . . hatrack Sep 2023 #36

That's not right... WarGamer Sep 2023 #78

When I purchased my new car four years I went with a gas vehicle. Xavier Breath Sep 2023 #37

It Would Suit Me Too ProfessorGAC Sep 2023 #61

+1, PIH means oil independence now uponit7771 Sep 2023 #58

Five percent? California is close to 20 percent of new cars as EVs. tinrobot Sep 2023 #21

65% of electricity is produced using natural gas or coal. Mosby Sep 2023 #38

Which means an EV uses, at minimum, 45% less fossil fuels. tinrobot Sep 2023 #40

And many forget another big advantage to EVs. They don't get hot. Liberal In Texas Sep 2023 #79

Reading some of the comments.. albacore Sep 2023 #23

+1 2naSalit Sep 2023 #32

People adjust to the price of gas. The problem with EV's is how the electric is made. jimfields33 Sep 2023 #33

You can make solar electricity on your roof, if needed. tinrobot Sep 2023 #42

If one can afford a solar system madville Sep 2023 #45

Maybe. Panels for just a car would be less, but there are many routes to cleaner power. tinrobot Sep 2023 #46

Huh inthewind21 Sep 2023 #122

Prices have increased in the last 10 years madville Sep 2023 #128

Our economy doesn't adjust to a greater and greater expense on energy.. albacore Sep 2023 #44

We can if we choose to. Happy Hoosier Sep 2023 #116

I would love to replace my 18 mpg gas guzzler with an ev Trailrider1951 Sep 2023 #25

Towing requires gas. Just a fact. The weight of the required lindysalsagal Sep 2023 #27

How many people actually tow regularly? tinrobot Sep 2023 #43

Agreed. lindysalsagal Sep 2023 #73

Does it? Happy Hoosier Sep 2023 #118

Maybe when the replacement battery is free...lol. Iggo Sep 2023 #31

That's what they said about the Prius. No battery problems. albacore Sep 2023 #49

Same to you, buddy. Iggo Sep 2023 #57

Of course there were few problems, the batteries just didn't last and cost a lot to replace uponit7771 Sep 2023 #59

Life of a Prius battery is about 10 years....but... albacore Sep 2023 #63

Former 2001 Prius owner - mine lasted 13 years vs. estimated lifespan of 10 years . . . hatrack Sep 2023 #124

I think a cubic regression curve Mosby Sep 2023 #34

there are very cheap used EVs LymphocyteLover Sep 2023 #67

I want simple, dammit. I want a dashboard that looks like what I'm used to. Non-flammable battery! Hekate Sep 2023 #48

Gasoline isn't flammable? tinrobot Sep 2023 #50

Gas cars don't burn? News to me... albacore Sep 2023 #51

Hybrid cars are the worst Kaleva Sep 2023 #62

Your response would be much more convincing if it weren't an ad... albacore Sep 2023 #66

It's far more accurate to go per 100k sold Kaleva Sep 2023 #72

That's mostly Teslas because of their bad build quality. BannonsLiver Sep 2023 #98

Thank you for getting the point (I think) instead of perseverating on the flammability of gasoline Hekate Sep 2023 #100

Maybe one day. Dulcinea Sep 2023 #55

LOTS of petro-misinformation on this thread... albacore Sep 2023 #56

How many of us pay that much in taxes to be able to get the rebate? Kaleva Sep 2023 #65

My state rebate is $2K.. straight rebate, not tax credit. nt albacore Sep 2023 #70

What state is that? Kaleva Sep 2023 #126

Washington. They also waive the 6.5% sales tax for EVs. nt albacore Sep 2023 #129

That's great! Wish more states would do that. Kaleva Sep 2023 #130

Can't beat living in a blue state. nt albacore Sep 2023 #132

And the electric company will install the level 2 charger free. NT albacore Sep 2023 #134

Typically, people who have low incomes don't buy new cars. tinrobot Sep 2023 #76

That'll be my situation Kaleva Sep 2023 #127

I live in Texas. I got a rebate for my PHEV - from TEXAS. Liberal In Texas Sep 2023 #71

No interest in EV myself SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2023 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author roamer65 Sep 2023 #81

Gas in Southern California is $6.40 cents a gallon right now. Fuuuuuuuuck that shit. Initech Sep 2023 #64

I drive an EV and I love not having to buy gas. I charge it in my garage. LymphocyteLover Sep 2023 #68

Change is gonna come, get use to it Emile Sep 2023 #80

All ICE vehicles in the United States should be Flex Fuel like in Brazil. roamer65 Sep 2023 #82

What probably needs to happen is provide something similar to mpg LiberalFighter Sep 2023 #83

I posted earlier that a 2024 Chevy Equinox EV would cost me less than $5 to charge. albacore Sep 2023 #85

That is the info that needs to get out. LiberalFighter Sep 2023 #86

I recently just got Chi67 Sep 2023 #87

The other geeks I know haven't transitioned yet ecstatic Sep 2023 #89

EVs have as part of the NAV system a button you can push and a map Liberal In Texas Sep 2023 #93

What happens if I let the car sit for 2 weeks --- does the battery stay charged ecstatic Sep 2023 #94

It'll stay charged. Liberal In Texas Sep 2023 #95

I admit, what you said about being able to leave the house with a full tank ecstatic Sep 2023 #97

Once you drive one for awhile you'll wonder why it took you so long. Liberal In Texas Sep 2023 #108

People resist change. It's our nature. But I think it will be inevitable that EV's will dominate FlyingPiggy Sep 2023 #91

If I could drive, I'd go for electric, but... sakabatou Sep 2023 #101

The car manufacturers' and oil companies' astroturfing has been effective. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2023 #102

Butttt the battery..! Meanwhile I don't change oil, have almost 0 maintenance JCMach1 Sep 2023 #112

Crazy EV owners can even refine their own fuel! It's just nuts, I tell ya. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2023 #120

The progress has been incredible Johnny2X2X Sep 2023 #104

Exactly, DUers literally spouting big oil talking points... JCMach1 Sep 2023 #106

Owner satisfaction Johnny2X2X Sep 2023 #109

I have a PHEV Volt and rarely go to the ICE engine JCMach1 Sep 2023 #111

Neighbor says the same thing of his Volt Johnny2X2X Sep 2023 #113

I could mention, we have also had a couple of gasoline runs in DFW since JCMach1 Sep 2023 #114

For those cost poopooers, I paid 8K for my Volt in 2016 JCMach1 Sep 2023 #115

EV Owners RobinA Sep 2023 #123

And no one is forcing you to buy and EV Johnny2X2X Sep 2023 #125

Whistling past the graveyard MusicLikeDirt Sep 2023 #107

Another factor may be Bettie Sep 2023 #121

Something nobody seems to consider: where does the electricity come from? brooklynite Sep 2023 #131

I'm not sure either. But I know that the auto companies... albacore Sep 2023 #133