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77. At least Reagan and Kennedy had rationales for their campaigns.

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #37)

Sun Sep 24, 2023, 11:47 PM

Sep 2023

The former thought Ford was insufficiently conservative and the latter thought Carter was insufficiently liberal. What's the rationale for challenging Biden- "I think I have a better chance of winning." It's crazy.

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Why is it so terrible for us to have a CHOICE in the Democratic primary? [View all] Alhena Sep 2023 OP

This will not end well n/t SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2023 #1

Nor should it. n/t hlthe2b Sep 2023 #3

Just got home from Costco Sympthsical Sep 2023 #29

Finished my popcorn an hour ago mcar Sep 2023 #34

Now is probably better Sympthsical Sep 2023 #35

Great movie. Tomconroy Sep 2023 #62

Because LiberaBlueDem Sep 2023 #2

Only because the perception now is that it would be disloyal to do so Alhena Sep 2023 #5

I submit that your argument is so faulty that it shows wnylib Sep 2023 #18

Gov Newsom already said he Wasn't running and Cha Sep 2023 #56

All that happens when we primary an incumbent is we weaken him for the general. pnwmom Sep 2023 #73

TRUMP LOST IN 2020 BY MANY MILLIONS OF VOTES Hekate Sep 2023 #82

He actually lost by about 45k votes MistakenLamb Sep 2023 #100

Wikipedia is where I got the popular vote tally, as I intended. By all means work on the Hekate Sep 2023 #114

Nothing to do with disloyalty to one personality, anointed, crowned, cheerleading, echo chamber, betsuni Sep 2023 #86

Did you support Bernie Sanders almost primary challenge to Obama in 2012 MistakenLamb Sep 2023 #99

Primarying a sitting president would help lead the way to Trump 2 shrike3 Sep 2023 #109

Except RFK Jr. n/t Mr.Bill Sep 2023 #40

Jr is a fool LiberaBlueDem Sep 2023 #42

Of course he is. n/t Mr.Bill Sep 2023 #44

He is not a Democrat and is considering running as a libertarian which would likely hurt Trump. Demsrule86 Sep 2023 #132

Wikipedia says he is running for the Democratic nomination. Mr.Bill Sep 2023 #135

Because the people most likely to challenge Biden RandySF Sep 2023 #4

There is nothing at all wrong with a primary challenge from a serious candidate. Chainfire Sep 2023 #6

"There is nothing at all wrong with a primary challenge from a serious candidate", IF DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #25

I don't think Ford in '76 or Carter in '80 win either way, primary or not Polybius Sep 2023 #66

The primary challengers definitely didn't help, either ExWhoDoesntCare Sep 2023 #71

Ford lost the Electoral College by 18,000 votes in Ohio and Hawaii. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2023 #75

Name a single time in history that it's gone well. One. Maru Kitteh Sep 2023 #69

This is false on its face uponit7771 Sep 2023 #102

Our democracy is on the line this election. We need unity. Normally I would Scrivener7 Sep 2023 #7

Electability and unity. wnylib Sep 2023 #8

Wonder if she really wants RFK Jr or Cornel West? Or maybe Jill Stein? Hekate Sep 2023 #84

I think that there is something else going on wnylib Sep 2023 #93

I think you make very good points Hekate Sep 2023 #94

Bingo. shrike3 Sep 2023 #120

You are bang on JustAnotherGen Sep 2023 #124

excellent thoughts Recycle_Guru Sep 2023 #127

Who's running? (nt) stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #9

Not Gavin Newsom, not Gretchen Whitmer, not Bernie Sanders. .... Hekate Sep 2023 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #88

I'm pretty sure West isn't. stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #89

West is running for the Green Party nomination. nt. carpetbagger Sep 2023 #91

Neither the Greens nor the Libertarians.. stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #92

Because Joe bluestarone Sep 2023 #10

Carter/Kennedy T_A Sep 2023 #11

Thanks elleng Sep 2023 #24

It's not that it's a terrible idea, it's that right now, its a terribly stupid idea. msfiddlestix Sep 2023 #12

There are no "ordinary" times in some circles. JanMichael Sep 2023 #27

Some country has started a "Biden is too old" MIC and its reached here. uponit7771 Sep 2023 #103

1980, but if someone wants to run they can do so JI7 Sep 2023 #13

Gavin Newsom and Gretchen "Witmer" aren't running. W_HAMILTON Sep 2023 #14

Its NOT terrible in the abstract; it IS terrible in the real world. brooklynite Sep 2023 #15

Here's why. Happy Hoosier Sep 2023 #16

I will tell you why because in the past every Tree Lady Sep 2023 #17

We shouldn't feed trolls here DestinyIsles Sep 2023 #19

We seem to be having an outburst of it this afternoon. marybourg Sep 2023 #20

Are you calling the OP a troll? They have been a DU member since 2006 and have kelly1mm Sep 2023 #26

Right and this person popping this topic three months before the Iowa Caucus DestinyIsles Sep 2023 #41

Just because you disagree with another long term, active DU member DOES NOT make them kelly1mm Sep 2023 #52

It has nothing to do with not accepting an opinion DestinyIsles Sep 2023 #97

Yes it is you being toxic ..... nt kelly1mm Sep 2023 #106

It Definitely Can Be RobinA Sep 2023 #115

Have you seen... Hekate Sep 2023 #87

I can't help being envious. Hundreds of replies! I gave up OPs long ago. betsuni Sep 2023 #90

Again, you not agreeing with a post DOES NOT make someone a troll nt kelly1mm Sep 2023 #107

So anyone with a different opinion than yours is a troll? I thought this was a place Chainfire Sep 2023 #38

I would say 'Are you new here?' but I can see you are not. LOL. DU is often toxic to stepping kelly1mm Sep 2023 #53

Maybe run spell check before copy-paste? nt Phoenix61 Sep 2023 #63

Sorry I am confused? What copy and paste and what word is spelled wrong? I am a terrible kelly1mm Sep 2023 #65

A "Troll" is a creature in fiction. "Trolling", on the other hand, is a verb. Bongo Prophet Sep 2023 #79

So we see Democrats snowybirdie Sep 2023 #21

I sgree wi those who have hinted, or outright stated, that the... TreasonousBastard Sep 2023 #22

Democrats should be discussing these types of issues. It is healthy for the party and the nation. Chainfire Sep 2023 #111

What will the challenger to Biden have to say against him marybourg Sep 2023 #23

Once upon a time choices were between differing ideologys randr Sep 2023 #28

Hmmm Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #129

Because primary-ing an incumbent weakens them budkin Sep 2023 #30

I said my fears about 2024.. DemocratInPa Sep 2023 #31

Don't you dare blame Gen Z for 2024 MistakenLamb Sep 2023 #112

All of the other high-profile candidates support Biden. tinrobot Sep 2023 #32

Name one time that an incumbent president was primaried from his own party mcar Sep 2023 #33

Thank you! mountain grammy Sep 2023 #54

Because contested primaries ALWAYS benefit the other side. 11 Bravo Sep 2023 #36

Challenging a sitting president means saying they're doing things wrong muriel_volestrangler Sep 2023 #37

At least Reagan and Kennedy had rationales for their campaigns. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2023 #77

Both Newsome & Whitmer have said they're not running & are Pathwalker Sep 2023 #39

bingo BootinUp Sep 2023 #46

I'm all in for Whitmer... Fiendish Thingy Sep 2023 #43

So your CHOICE... jcgoldie Sep 2023 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Pathwalker Sep 2023 #47

... lapucelle Sep 2023 #48

Unless Biden decides not to run, don't think a primary will help us. Silent Type Sep 2023 #49

We always have a choice. Iggo Sep 2023 #50

Study the 1980 election PJMcK Sep 2023 #51

I remember that election very well LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2023 #58

I think Carter loses anyway Polybius Sep 2023 #67

Carter barely lost...the primary weakened him and our lives were destroyed and we are still Demsrule86 Sep 2023 #133

Barely lost my butt Polybius Sep 2023 #134

We have lots of choices mountain grammy Sep 2023 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2023 #57

Only if Joe decides to drop out. honest.abe Sep 2023 #59

The reason is due to experience and lessons learned ecstatic Sep 2023 #60

Because rooting for someone other the incumbent is wrong and not smart Recycle_Guru Sep 2023 #61

It's not a terrible thing. But obviously the people Tomconroy Sep 2023 #64

we don't have a choice until someone else decides to run treestar Sep 2023 #68

Because incumbents are tough to beat ExWhoDoesntCare Sep 2023 #70

Stronger candidate in what way? betsuni Sep 2023 #72

And why shouldn't we just be able to choose not to wear a mask Aristus Sep 2023 #74

+1 betsuni Sep 2023 #78

I am all in for Biden, but that analogy is pretty dopey. Scrivener7 Sep 2023 #104

It's not the denial. It's them framing the issue of vaccine denial Aristus Sep 2023 #110

And it is dopey to compare that to a normal democratic process. Scrivener7 Sep 2023 #118

It's dopey to encourage a primary challenge when the Republican nominee is the Aristus Sep 2023 #119

They're not running, so it doesn't matter what you'd rather have. pnwmom Sep 2023 #76

Divide and Conquer Hekate Sep 2023 #80

Remind me how many more votes Biden got in 2020 than The Orange Defendent? Hekate Sep 2023 #81

I'm with Joe. carpetbagger Sep 2023 #83

Me me me me CHOICE ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATS BAD same as Republicans who cares betsuni Sep 2023 #95

Nailed it. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2023 #122

Most people talk about how old Biden is Dirty Socialist Sep 2023 #96

Name one time. One time that a primary challenge to the incumbent president ever worked out MistakenLamb Sep 2023 #98

You do and will have a choice, write their names in. William769 Sep 2023 #101

Wow. I'm totally against primarying Biden. But many Scrivener7 Sep 2023 #105

it's called "experience" Conjuay Sep 2023 #108

Did I miss something? I haven't heard them announce... themaguffin Sep 2023 #113

Were Joe Biden to step down or not run for a second term I would want a primary. Having a CHOICE in Autumn Sep 2023 #116

Historically Im not a big fan of Biden, but I don't want a primary. SYFROYH Sep 2023 #117

If Newsom or Whitmer decide to enter the race, feel free to vote for one of them. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2023 #121

I'm for Biden & I think there should be full on primaries AntivaxHunters Sep 2023 #123

It's good to want things JustAnotherGen Sep 2023 #125

I mean if you are dumb enough to vote for someone like RFK Jr. tritsofme Sep 2023 #126

This thread likely breaks no DU rule, but I see it as divisive. Stinky The Clown Sep 2023 #128

Let's pretend that we live in a healthy democracy. hay rick Sep 2023 #130

If you primary a sitting president, we always lose...anyone who runs is politically dead. Demsrule86 Sep 2023 #131