I think Nicolle Wallace's interview with Cassidy Hutchinson is the best yet.

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27. she was a bit more clear than that. it was clear she wouldn't vote for Trump. More importantly,

referring to the first debate she said there were only two candidates that would not agree to support Trump if he were the nominee and convicted (christie and Asa) and she essentially said the others should not be considered. (dems should be on this a lot more too).

Having said that....I continue to be amazed that it took so long for her to come to the conclusion that the Trump WH and many/most of the players were not good for the country. Well after Jan 6 and the inauguration....

Others have mentioned that it's hard to break away from a cult, even for a smart person. I can see that. But for a very long time, she was fine with the lies, mocking, victimhood, coordination with Russia, blackmailing Ukraine for personal gain, cozying up to world autocrats, misuse of the military, gassing protestors for a bible photo op, and much much more that is publicly known. She must have seen additional outrageous, abnormal behavior that the public isn't aware of (as have many). And I believe she feels guilt for all of it...now.

It was a good interview.