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Watching the videos coming out of Israel today and reading [View all] Tomconroy Oct 2023 OP

All I know is it's Biden's fault. FalloutShelter Oct 2023 #1

Rick Scott is literally on Twitter saying just that. Marius25 Oct 2023 #12

Shocker, right! FalloutShelter Oct 2023 #21

Of course he is.. Both Ends Blame Cha Oct 2023 #70

I listened to Biden's speech today on NPR. wnylib Oct 2023 #87

Wonder where that reporter was from.? Cha Oct 2023 #89

No visual since it was NPR and their reporters did not identify the wnylib Oct 2023 #90

Thanks. Cha Oct 2023 #91

"The occupation of Gaza" -- lol what would you say its status is now? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #2

Just watch and see. The law of FAFO. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #3

No one can defend HAMAS (or its Iranian masters) but kindly don't forget all that has transpired-- hlthe2b Oct 2023 #7

I'm mainly talking to the visceral reaction that Israelis will Tomconroy Oct 2023 #9

There is no doubt about that. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #10

wtf did civilians in Gaza do to deserve retaliation? bigtree Oct 2023 #15

+10000000000000000 Celerity Oct 2023 #79

There hasn't been anyone occupying Gaza for 14 years. Marius25 Oct 2023 #13

Fair -- open air prisons aren't necessarily an occupation. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #20

Does Gaza not share a border with Egypt not under Israeli control? nt EX500rider Oct 2023 #30

Egypt is blockading Gaza too, yet nobody ever complains about that. Marius25 Oct 2023 #41

No They only control the northern border, the airspace and territorial waters. Not an occupation... hlthe2b Oct 2023 #22

Gaza was not occupied. former9thward Oct 2023 #94

K&R rollin74 Oct 2023 #4

Gaza is already occupied RocRizzo55 Oct 2023 #5

You may think it is. And you may be in for a shock. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #6

Please read some history. PLEASE!!!!! Gaza (and West Bank) have been occupied since 1967!!!!!!!!! hlthe2b Oct 2023 #8

No, they haven't. Marius25 Oct 2023 #14

Not for lack of trying as Israel established 144 settlements in the West Bank, including 100 the UN hlthe2b Oct 2023 #19

Settlements, control of government, the police, taxation, military presence ... Igel Oct 2023 #42

Egypt is blockading Gaza too, but nobody complains about that. Marius25 Oct 2023 #43

Again, I refuse to argue with those who will not examine the excesses on both sides. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #47

When Israel evacuated the settlements, the first thing the Pals did was destroy the hothouses. toesonthenose Oct 2023 #25

Gaza has not been occupied by Israel since 2005 nt EX500rider Oct 2023 #32

If you read the subthread before posting: hlthe2b Oct 2023 #34

Impossible for Israel to blockade Gaza when they don't control the border with Eqypt. EX500rider Oct 2023 #35

Hardly. And they have in all the impacts that implies. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #38

The fact is Gaza could do all the trade they need thru the Egyptian border... EX500rider Oct 2023 #39

"They" is HAMAS but I guess you just lump the entire population together. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #52

Maybe voting Hamas in in the 1st place was a bad idea EX500rider Oct 2023 #74

I can't wait until you educate all of us on how they could have stopped them. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #75

yes, no way to overthrown a unpopular government, never been done in history EX500rider Oct 2023 #76

Your advocating violent coups is noted. Is that what you think the US should do? The world asks hlthe2b Oct 2023 #77

Advocating violent coups against terror orgs who never hold elections again.. EX500rider Oct 2023 #78

Who has the guns among the populace in the region? Hmm? It really isn't like your cartoon avatar. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #80

The United Nations disagrees with you and others Celerity Oct 2023 #103

Citing "United Nations" as a definitive source on this issue is a joke. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #105

No, the UN is not a joke on this, and I also posted another discussion that takes on multiple claims Celerity Oct 2023 #107

Yeah, by Hamas. toesonthenose Oct 2023 #24

Yes and blockaded there/trapped there by Israel. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #57

They are not "trapped". former9thward Oct 2023 #95

Moment in time fallacy--common in those who don't learn history (or statistics, for that matter). hlthe2b Oct 2023 #96

At least I don't get my information from people who have never been there. former9thward Oct 2023 #97

Nor do I. How ridiculous. So apparently you think facts are to be ignored if you did not witness hlthe2b Oct 2023 #98

Seems like you are projecting... former9thward Oct 2023 #99

Another nonsequitur I see hlthe2b Oct 2023 #100

Hamas has ensured that there will be thousands of deaths TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #11

what will actually be accomplished by retaliatory bombings bigtree Oct 2023 #26

Hamas hides behind civilians TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #27

we live here. bigtree Oct 2023 #31

Hamas is responsible for any resulting deaths TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #62

no one has a right to kill unarmed civilians bigtree Oct 2023 #71

Israel responding with force to Hamas' terrorism isn't overreaction TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #82

before that it was the PLO bigtree Oct 2023 #93

Israel certainly has the right to strike at missile launching locations, plus.. EX500rider Oct 2023 #33

and they will kill civilians in the process bigtree Oct 2023 #36

Israel is a democracy, unlike Hama's run Gaza. EX500rider Oct 2023 #37

yeah bigtree Oct 2023 #40

They react as any country under attack from their neighbors. EX500rider Oct 2023 #44

we are not Israel or Palestine bigtree Oct 2023 #46

👆 This👆 hlthe2b Oct 2023 #59

I'm not unsympathetic to that view, but... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #60

"existential" - potentially for all of us. Will Israel bomb Iran? UTUSN Oct 2023 #16

More than likely...YES. roamer65 Oct 2023 #17

Less than a 50% chance, I'd say, given just what's public. n/t Igel Oct 2023 #45

Longer it goes, the more likely it becomes. roamer65 Oct 2023 #49

if real evidence is produced showing iran was involved then moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #108

I don't think the two state solution died today Amishman Oct 2023 #18

and Netanyahu... hlthe2b Oct 2023 #23

agreed Recycle_Guru Oct 2023 #29

HAMAS is firmly "from the river to the sea" thinkers. Igel Oct 2023 #51

I think Hamas will be hunted down like al queda and ISIS now Recycle_Guru Oct 2023 #28

We are significantly closer to a Middle Eastern war today. roamer65 Oct 2023 #50

all the more reason for the U.S. to encourage a cessation of violence bigtree Oct 2023 #54

We aren't an impartial broker. roamer65 Oct 2023 #56

yes. Putin, Bannon, Trump Recycle_Guru Oct 2023 #88

It'll be harder. Igel Oct 2023 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #48

They've slipped before. DavidDvorkin Oct 2023 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author Xavier Breath Oct 2023 #55

Not sure what you are implying, but I've seen no one say Israel does not have the right to defend hlthe2b Oct 2023 #63

Nothing similar has happened on the West Bank yet. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #66

Yup. Yet. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #68

Recollections may vary. BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #73

Like clockwork. Behind the Aegis Oct 2023 #65

I normally don't post in Re: Israel because I've been vilified PCIntern Oct 2023 #61

3838 deaths to 168 Johnny2X2X Oct 2023 #64

Israelis, not Israelites. DavidDvorkin Oct 2023 #67

What's so special about 2005? Mosby Oct 2023 #69

Why? TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #83

What? Johnny2X2X Oct 2023 #85

Sorry TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #86

They if you're trying to derail EllieBC Oct 2023 #92

It was Stupid & Suicidal to Attack Cha Oct 2023 #72

Just a thought Bmoboy Oct 2023 #81

Faux news just blamed brettdale Oct 2023 #84

Israel is no angel RANDYWILDMAN Oct 2023 #101

And people on DU complain about bothsiderism. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #102

Why ? RANDYWILDMAN Oct 2023 #104

I stand with Israel like Joe Biden said today. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #106

We can disagree can't we RANDYWILDMAN Oct 2023 #110

Yes. You are reading that wrong. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #111

after 9/11 we went nuts moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #109

I think RocRizzo55 Oct 2023 #113

Israel will never going to agree to a 2 state solution. Bibi's policies led to all this. ZonkerHarris Oct 2023 #112