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In reply to the discussion: Watching the videos coming out of Israel today and reading [View all]bigtree
(94,690 posts)71. no one has a right to kill unarmed civilians
...and in many ways, it's that same military overreaction that's expected to come from Israel which has exacerbated the violence.
Back and forth. Violence and retaliation. The U.S. interest in this should be to urge a cessation of violence on all sides.
It's always amazing to me how much stock people put in killing civilians to achieve an end to warring.
As our own Abe Lincoln said of America's strength:
What constitutes the bulwark of our own liberty and independence? It is not our frowning battlements, our bristling sea coasts, the guns of our war steamers, or the strength of our gallant and disciplined army. These are not the reliance against the resumption of tyranny in our fair land.
All of them may be turned against our liberties, without making us stronger or weaker for the struggle. Our reliance is in the love of liberty which God has planted in our bosoms. Our defense is the preservation of the spirit which prizes liberty as the heritage of all men, in all lands, everywhere.
Destroy this spirit, and you have planted the seeds of despotism around your own doors. Familiarize yourselves with the chains of bondage, and you are preparing your own limbs to wear them.
Accustomed to trample on the rights of those around you, you have lost the genius of your own independence, and become the fit subjects of the first cunning tyrant who rises among you.
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No one can defend HAMAS (or its Iranian masters) but kindly don't forget all that has transpired--
hlthe2b
Oct 2023
#7
No They only control the northern border, the airspace and territorial waters. Not an occupation...
hlthe2b
Oct 2023
#22
Please read some history. PLEASE!!!!! Gaza (and West Bank) have been occupied since 1967!!!!!!!!!
hlthe2b
Oct 2023
#8
Not for lack of trying as Israel established 144 settlements in the West Bank, including 100 the UN
hlthe2b
Oct 2023
#19
Again, I refuse to argue with those who will not examine the excesses on both sides.
hlthe2b
Oct 2023
#47
When Israel evacuated the settlements, the first thing the Pals did was destroy the hothouses.
toesonthenose
Oct 2023
#25
Impossible for Israel to blockade Gaza when they don't control the border with Eqypt.
EX500rider
Oct 2023
#35
The fact is Gaza could do all the trade they need thru the Egyptian border...
EX500rider
Oct 2023
#39
yes, no way to overthrown a unpopular government, never been done in history
EX500rider
Oct 2023
#76
Your advocating violent coups is noted. Is that what you think the US should do? The world asks
hlthe2b
Oct 2023
#77
Advocating violent coups against terror orgs who never hold elections again..
EX500rider
Oct 2023
#78
Who has the guns among the populace in the region? Hmm? It really isn't like your cartoon avatar.
hlthe2b
Oct 2023
#80
No, the UN is not a joke on this, and I also posted another discussion that takes on multiple claims
Celerity
Oct 2023
#107
Moment in time fallacy--common in those who don't learn history (or statistics, for that matter).
hlthe2b
Oct 2023
#96
At least I don't get my information from people who have never been there.
former9thward
Oct 2023
#97
Nor do I. How ridiculous. So apparently you think facts are to be ignored if you did not witness
hlthe2b
Oct 2023
#98
Israel certainly has the right to strike at missile launching locations, plus..
EX500rider
Oct 2023
#33
Not sure what you are implying, but I've seen no one say Israel does not have the right to defend
hlthe2b
Oct 2023
#63
Israel will never going to agree to a 2 state solution. Bibi's policies led to all this.
ZonkerHarris
Oct 2023
#112