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Hieronymus Phact

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29. You're wrong about a few things...
Sun Oct 8, 2023, 11:55 PM
Oct 2023

It's not impossible to negotiate, that's a BS excuse, it's just impossible to get everything you want from a position of weakness. And what's the alternative? They are the weaker side. They lost the war. Should they be given an air force, and have their armies rebuilt just so they can negotiate from some imagined position of strength? Did we do that for japan when they lost? Did we do that for Germany? Do you really think they would then choose to negotiate?

The Israelis were in fact planning on a large Arab population (around 45%) during the war of independence, this is documented. It was only later that it became clear that it wasn't going to happen, and the civic planning boards were told to make other plans.
Its just propaganda and historical revisionism to say They always intended ethnically cleanse Palestine. Many Israelis and Arabs too begged them to stay, but many simply fled. Some left out of fear of being a minority, and some fled to make war easier. And some were driven out as a matter of Israeli survival as result of that war. This is all well documented in actual history books. If that was the plan all along what stopped the Israelis from driving out the current Arab-Israeli population since '48?

How can the Israelis be on the hook for things that happened in 1046 before there were any "Palestinians" in the modern sense?

They were offered a autonomous state, they rejected that because it would coexist along side an autonomous Israel and that was unacceptable. They gambled it all and they lost. (When i say "they" i mean the Arab league, not necessarily the local Palestinians who were used as pawns.)

When i say get over it i mean Get over the dream of eradicating the Israeli state.

Peace is the only Answer. in time it could lead to whatever autonomy you envision, but the alternative only leads to more destruction.

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Hamas uses civilians aa human shields JI7 Oct 2023 #1
Very true AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #2
Your OP headline is misleading. wnylib Oct 2023 #28
You might want to check with the UN data kevinore Oct 2023 #36
I'm just advocating for truth up front in posting. wnylib Oct 2023 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Oct 2023 #42
That is so cowardly, and plain wrong. (No support for Netanyahu, either) electric_blue68 Oct 2023 #8
There have been many documented cases PhylliPretzel Oct 2023 #13
Link, please? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #18
I hadn't heard about this either, so I Googled it. progressoid Oct 2023 #35
True or False BidenRocks Oct 2023 #20
If you can't produce links to back up that claim, you should delete your post. wnylib Oct 2023 #30
The same UN that Iran, Russia and China are in? AkFemDem Oct 2023 #3
You should be cynical. The chart was produced wnylib Oct 2023 #32
I don't understand the chart. The numbers dont make any sense mahina Oct 2023 #40
Oh well in that case its no big deal edisdead Oct 2023 #4
The costs of the conflict have been so high. David__77 Oct 2023 #5
how many of those palestinians lapfog_1 Oct 2023 #6
Fair point AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #7
Dead is dead. roamer65 Oct 2023 #9
What will advance the Palestinian cause? Big Blue Marble Oct 2023 #10
HAMAS Terrorists Attacks on Cha Oct 2023 #11
No actually these horrific attacks endanger Palestinians lives as well. Big Blue Marble Oct 2023 #14
No ethnic group puts up with apartheid for forever. brush Oct 2023 #33
This is true. You need to look back at the history of the establishment of Israel wnylib Oct 2023 #37
If I'm not careful about it, I can still be angry with Britain for what they did to my great great mahina Oct 2023 #41
PEACE is the answer. Hieronymus Phact Oct 2023 #16
It is impossible to negotiate from a position of weakness. Big Blue Marble Oct 2023 #19
You're wrong about a few things... Hieronymus Phact Oct 2023 #29
The evidence does not back your claims. Big Blue Marble Oct 2023 #44
So i'm a racist now for asking why the Isrealis are on the hook for events of 1000 years ago? Hieronymus Phact Oct 2023 #45
You may act as indignant as you choose. Big Blue Marble Oct 2023 #46
Fine I'll take the last word Hieronymus Phact Oct 2023 #47
what about only showing the deaths, this shows the Israelis showed restraint Shellback Squid Oct 2023 #12
No matter how many they kill they keep coming back.. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2023 #15
Now Palestine will be decimated. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #25
Feel better now? The_Casual_Observer Oct 2023 #26
Palistine is an oppressed society. These numbers are horrific! mysteryowl Oct 2023 #17
Palestinian Prisoner and Martyr Payments Explained Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #21
Israelpolicyforum sounds very unbiased lol AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #27
Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #22
a phyrrhic attack. hoist by their own petard. pansypoo53219 Oct 2023 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Marius25 Oct 2023 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author brush Oct 2023 #31
Israel..251 total deaths since 2008 then 700 yesterday... shocking Demovictory9 Oct 2023 #34
Here is some context to the present day madness WhiteTara Oct 2023 #39
So the Iron Dome missile defense system works. lapucelle Oct 2023 #43
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