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In reply to the discussion: A stunning infographic from UN on Israel & Palestine [View all]WhiteTara
(31,314 posts)39. Here is some context to the present day madness
https://imeu.org/article/the-sabra-shatila-massacre
On September 16, 1982, Christian Lebanese militiamen allied to Israel entered the Palestinian refugee camp of Shatila and the adjacent neighborhood of Sabra in Beirut under the watch of the Israeli army and began a slaughter that caused outrage around the world. Over the next day and a half, up to 3500 Palestinian and Lebanese civilians, mostly women, children, and the elderly, were murdered in one of the worst atrocities in modern Middle Eastern history. The New York Times recently published an op-ed containing new details of discussions held between Israeli and American officials before and during the massacre. They reveal how Israeli officials, led by then-Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, misled and bullied American diplomats, rebuffing their concerns about the safety of the inhabitants of Sabra and Shatila.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre#
The Sabra and Shatila massacre was the killing in Lebanon of between 460 and 3,500 civiliansmostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shiitesby the militia of the Lebanese Forces. The group was a Maronite Christian Lebanese right-wing party under the command of Elie Hobeika. It committed the atrocity in the Sabra neighborhood and the adjacent Shatila refugee camp, in Beirut. President Bachir Gemayel had been assassinated two days earlier and the Phalangists sought revenge.[4]
From approximately 18:00 on 16 September to 08:00 on 18 September 1982, a widespread massacre was carried out by the militia, while the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) had the camp surrounded.[5][6][7][8] The militia had been ordered by the IDF to clear Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) fighters out of Sabra and Shatila, as part of the IDF's maneuvering into West Beirut. As the massacre unfolded, the IDF received reports of atrocities but did not take any action to prevent or stop the massacre.[9]
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The Sabra and Shatila massacre was the killing in Lebanon of between 460 and 3,500 civiliansmostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shiitesby the militia of the Lebanese Forces. The group was a Maronite Christian Lebanese right-wing party under the command of Elie Hobeika. It committed the atrocity in the Sabra neighborhood and the adjacent Shatila refugee camp, in Beirut. President Bachir Gemayel had been assassinated two days earlier and the Phalangists sought revenge.[4]
From approximately 18:00 on 16 September to 08:00 on 18 September 1982, a widespread massacre was carried out by the militia, while the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) had the camp surrounded.[5][6][7][8] The militia had been ordered by the IDF to clear Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) fighters out of Sabra and Shatila, as part of the IDF's maneuvering into West Beirut. As the massacre unfolded, the IDF received reports of atrocities but did not take any action to prevent or stop the massacre.[9]
In June 1982, the IDF had invaded Lebanon with the intention of rooting out the PLO. By 30 August 1982, under the supervision of the Multinational Force, the PLO withdrew from Lebanon following weeks of battles in West Beirut and shortly before the massacre took place. Various forcesIsraeli, Lebanese Forces and possibly also the South Lebanon Army (SLA)were in the vicinity of Sabra and Shatila at the time of the slaughter, taking advantage of the fact that the Multinational Force had removed barracks and mines that had encircled Beirut's predominantly Muslim neighborhoods and kept the Israelis at bay during the Beirut siege.[10] The Israeli advance over West Beirut in the wake of the PLO withdrawal, which enabled the Lebanese Forces raid, was in violation of the ceasefire agreement between the various forces.[11] The Israeli Army surrounded Sabra and Shatila and stationed troops at the exits of the area to prevent camp residents from leaving and, at the request of the Lebanese Forces,[12] fired illuminating flares at night.[13][14]
According to Alain Menargues, the direct perpetrators of the killings were the "Young Men", a gang recruited by Elie Hobeika (the Lebanese Forces intelligence chief and liaison officer with Mossad), from men who had been expelled from the Lebanese Forces for insubordination or criminal activities.[15] The killings are widely believed to have taken place under Hobeika's direct orders. Hobeika's family and fiancée had been murdered by Palestinian militiamen and their Lebanese allies during the 1976 Damour massacre, itself a response to the Karantina massacre of Palestinians and Lebanese Muslims at the hands of Christian militants two days before.[16][17][18][19] In all 300400 militiamen were involved, including some from Sa'ad Haddad's South Lebanon Army.[20]
In February 1983, a commission chaired by Seán MacBride, the assistant to the UN Secretary General and President of United Nations General Assembly at the time, looking into reported violations of International Law by Israel concluded that Israel, as the camp's occupying power, bore responsibility for the violence.[21] The commission also concluded that the massacre was a form of genocide.[22]
In February 1983, the Israeli Kahan Commission, appointed to investigate the incident, found that Israeli military personnel, aware that a massacre was in progress, had failed to take serious steps to stop it. The commission deemed Israel indirectly responsible, and Ariel Sharon, then Defense Minister, bore personal responsibility "for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge", forcing him to resign.[23]
On September 16, 1982, Christian Lebanese militiamen allied to Israel entered the Palestinian refugee camp of Shatila and the adjacent neighborhood of Sabra in Beirut under the watch of the Israeli army and began a slaughter that caused outrage around the world. Over the next day and a half, up to 3500 Palestinian and Lebanese civilians, mostly women, children, and the elderly, were murdered in one of the worst atrocities in modern Middle Eastern history. The New York Times recently published an op-ed containing new details of discussions held between Israeli and American officials before and during the massacre. They reveal how Israeli officials, led by then-Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, misled and bullied American diplomats, rebuffing their concerns about the safety of the inhabitants of Sabra and Shatila.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre#
The Sabra and Shatila massacre was the killing in Lebanon of between 460 and 3,500 civiliansmostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shiitesby the militia of the Lebanese Forces. The group was a Maronite Christian Lebanese right-wing party under the command of Elie Hobeika. It committed the atrocity in the Sabra neighborhood and the adjacent Shatila refugee camp, in Beirut. President Bachir Gemayel had been assassinated two days earlier and the Phalangists sought revenge.[4]
From approximately 18:00 on 16 September to 08:00 on 18 September 1982, a widespread massacre was carried out by the militia, while the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) had the camp surrounded.[5][6][7][8] The militia had been ordered by the IDF to clear Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) fighters out of Sabra and Shatila, as part of the IDF's maneuvering into West Beirut. As the massacre unfolded, the IDF received reports of atrocities but did not take any action to prevent or stop the massacre.[9]
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The Sabra and Shatila massacre was the killing in Lebanon of between 460 and 3,500 civiliansmostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shiitesby the militia of the Lebanese Forces. The group was a Maronite Christian Lebanese right-wing party under the command of Elie Hobeika. It committed the atrocity in the Sabra neighborhood and the adjacent Shatila refugee camp, in Beirut. President Bachir Gemayel had been assassinated two days earlier and the Phalangists sought revenge.[4]
From approximately 18:00 on 16 September to 08:00 on 18 September 1982, a widespread massacre was carried out by the militia, while the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) had the camp surrounded.[5][6][7][8] The militia had been ordered by the IDF to clear Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) fighters out of Sabra and Shatila, as part of the IDF's maneuvering into West Beirut. As the massacre unfolded, the IDF received reports of atrocities but did not take any action to prevent or stop the massacre.[9]
In June 1982, the IDF had invaded Lebanon with the intention of rooting out the PLO. By 30 August 1982, under the supervision of the Multinational Force, the PLO withdrew from Lebanon following weeks of battles in West Beirut and shortly before the massacre took place. Various forcesIsraeli, Lebanese Forces and possibly also the South Lebanon Army (SLA)were in the vicinity of Sabra and Shatila at the time of the slaughter, taking advantage of the fact that the Multinational Force had removed barracks and mines that had encircled Beirut's predominantly Muslim neighborhoods and kept the Israelis at bay during the Beirut siege.[10] The Israeli advance over West Beirut in the wake of the PLO withdrawal, which enabled the Lebanese Forces raid, was in violation of the ceasefire agreement between the various forces.[11] The Israeli Army surrounded Sabra and Shatila and stationed troops at the exits of the area to prevent camp residents from leaving and, at the request of the Lebanese Forces,[12] fired illuminating flares at night.[13][14]
According to Alain Menargues, the direct perpetrators of the killings were the "Young Men", a gang recruited by Elie Hobeika (the Lebanese Forces intelligence chief and liaison officer with Mossad), from men who had been expelled from the Lebanese Forces for insubordination or criminal activities.[15] The killings are widely believed to have taken place under Hobeika's direct orders. Hobeika's family and fiancée had been murdered by Palestinian militiamen and their Lebanese allies during the 1976 Damour massacre, itself a response to the Karantina massacre of Palestinians and Lebanese Muslims at the hands of Christian militants two days before.[16][17][18][19] In all 300400 militiamen were involved, including some from Sa'ad Haddad's South Lebanon Army.[20]
In February 1983, a commission chaired by Seán MacBride, the assistant to the UN Secretary General and President of United Nations General Assembly at the time, looking into reported violations of International Law by Israel concluded that Israel, as the camp's occupying power, bore responsibility for the violence.[21] The commission also concluded that the massacre was a form of genocide.[22]
In February 1983, the Israeli Kahan Commission, appointed to investigate the incident, found that Israeli military personnel, aware that a massacre was in progress, had failed to take serious steps to stop it. The commission deemed Israel indirectly responsible, and Ariel Sharon, then Defense Minister, bore personal responsibility "for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge", forcing him to resign.[23]
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That is so cowardly, and plain wrong. (No support for Netanyahu, either)
electric_blue68
Oct 2023
#8
No actually these horrific attacks endanger Palestinians lives as well.
Big Blue Marble
Oct 2023
#14
This is true. You need to look back at the history of the establishment of Israel
wnylib
Oct 2023
#37
If I'm not careful about it, I can still be angry with Britain for what they did to my great great
mahina
Oct 2023
#41
So i'm a racist now for asking why the Isrealis are on the hook for events of 1000 years ago?
Hieronymus Phact
Oct 2023
#45
what about only showing the deaths, this shows the Israelis showed restraint
Shellback Squid
Oct 2023
#12