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orangecrush

(19,655 posts) Mon Oct 9, 2023, 07:14 PM Oct 2023

So I just lost any sympathy for the Palestinian cause and Gaza [View all]

Saw actual footage of the treatment they gave the hostages they took.

Women and children stripped, beaten and killed as they were paraded.

Fuck Hamas.

They are getting exactly what their hand calls for

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So I just lost any sympathy for the Palestinian cause and Gaza [View all] orangecrush Oct 2023 OP

Agreed. Last week I felt differently. People here are post shaming me Tomconroy Oct 2023 #1

Blaming all of Gaza for a few terrorists is not cool LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #48

Its not just a few. They were voted into power. boston bean Oct 2023 #68

10 years ago and nothing since and even then it was a dodgy election. Hamas would not even have Bev54 Oct 2023 #98

It was not a dodgy election. boston bean Oct 2023 #99

Sorry but yes it was and it was basically a coup taking over the Palestinian government. Bev54 Oct 2023 #112

No. I am sure they want sqfety for themselves. boston bean Oct 2023 #115

Yeah MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #153

Go read. It was huge turn out. There was mo violence. And Hamas won. boston bean Oct 2023 #165

A few? paleotn Oct 2023 #74

2 million in Gaza LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #117

".. a few took arms.." Please Don't Cha Oct 2023 #211

Am I allowed to think poorly about the thousands of Gazans Igel Oct 2023 #102

I'd rather be dead.... Fichefinder Oct 2023 #2

I'd rather be living in Israel than under the jackboot of Hamas. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #6

i agree. and i wouldnt stop with hamas moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #37

Fine, don't fucking live there, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #8

They could have had Bill Clinton's deal. And prevented all of this. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #9

Horseshit. MicaelS Oct 2023 #10

You don't have any right to speak for everyone Arazi Oct 2023 #14

Well, he speaks for me MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #17

I am speaking for those with common sense. MicaelS Oct 2023 #22

How condescending MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #156

Welcome to DU orangecrush Oct 2023 #25

Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #35

Really??? GP6971 Oct 2023 #43

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2023 #47

He's no daisy ... marble falls Oct 2023 #67

Welcome to DU. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #44

They're not getting a choice tonight... GP6971 Oct 2023 #70

LOL!!! MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #72

... mcar Oct 2023 #128

lol Old School Cha Oct 2023 #213

You don't seem like you like to play nice. LuckyCharms Oct 2023 #45

Found this one at the bottom of the drawer, didn't you. egduj Oct 2023 #60

Stop murdering innocent Israelis. paleotn Oct 2023 #75

Alternatively, or additionally, stop murdering innocent Palestinians Orrex Oct 2023 #108

Somehow I suspect that you will quickly change your mind Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #111

How would you feel ... Straw Man Oct 2023 #215

And wait until they start executing for the world to see. Worse than ISIS question everything Oct 2023 #3

Worse than ISIS ? speak easy Oct 2023 #86

Wait. You had sympathy for Hamas? MyNameIsJonas Oct 2023 #4

+1 Celerity Oct 2023 #11

Edited for clarification orangecrush Oct 2023 #28

So now your are holding 2.1 million Gazans, 1 million + who are teens and younger, to account Celerity Oct 2023 #31

Collective punishment is a war crime. speak easy Oct 2023 #89

and yet I see some advocating for it, either openly or via nebulous framings Celerity Oct 2023 #105

The German people were bullied into accepting the Nazi Party's grab for power. Frasier Balzov Oct 2023 #93

As previously and correctly stated by multiple posters here (including on this very thread) Celerity Oct 2023 #126

Well Mister President, I would say that General Ripper has already invalidated THAT policy. Frasier Balzov Oct 2023 #127

The fictional General Ripper was an arch villain. Fuck ALL war criminals. Celerity Oct 2023 #175

But was Buck Turgidson? Frasier Balzov Oct 2023 #179

Yes. Celerity Oct 2023 #183

Send a copy to Mr. Haniyeh, won't you? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #158

So now we are going to base our moral & legal stances upon the actions of a butcher terrorist? Celerity Oct 2023 #172

By what perverted logic do you propose I base my moral and legal stances on anything other than Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #190

Collective punishment is a war crime. Celerity Oct 2023 #193

And clearly, Hamas cares nothing for minimizing civilian deaths. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #195

Chalk and cheese. Hamas signed their own death warrants. The vast majority of civilian Palestinians Celerity Oct 2023 #197

Hamas signed all the death warrants, including those for the vast majority of Gazans. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #203

My ice is thick, yours is damn near shattered. Celerity Oct 2023 #206

Did I ever argue that it is acceptable for civilians to be slaughtered? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #209

Thank you for your post. GhostHunter22 Oct 2023 #101

...... MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #103

I'm sorry you had to witness this MustLoveBeagles Oct 2023 #146

+1 MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #168

A few disparate comments. Igel Oct 2023 #160

I'm Sickened By the Slaughter of Cha Oct 2023 #214

Does it ever occur to anyone that Hamas is solely responsible for the fate of Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #135

It's occured to me that some MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #139

A member of Congress who was in Israel just pointed out Marius25 Oct 2023 #141

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #142

NO MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #166

I never said there were some here defending Hamas, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #169

No they are not. Collective punishment is a war crime. Celerity Oct 2023 #181

Yes they are. You should read up on the Fourth Geneva Convention Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #194

Good luck pushing that pretzel logic at a war crimes tribunal IF Israel goes in and wilfully Celerity Oct 2023 #196

The Fourth Geneva Convention is founded on pretzel logic? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #199

no, bur your attempted use of it is though Celerity Oct 2023 #202

Are you referring to my attempted direct quote from the document, link included? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #205

no, I am referring to your twisting of it in terms of application Celerity Oct 2023 #208

I cited the damn text verbatim! What in it did I twist? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #210

That's All I've Ever Been Cha Oct 2023 #216

I had a thought. Igel Oct 2023 #149

Welcome to DU orangecrush Oct 2023 #21

There's a learning curve. Igel Oct 2023 #110

Why in the world would you have 'sympathy' for Hamas ? You probably didn't want to really GuppyGal Oct 2023 #5

If you look into BiBis dealings with Hamas you will be astonished. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #13

Sorry I meant orangecrush Oct 2023 #16

Wow. I guess MAGA speaks for you too. onecaliberal Oct 2023 #106

except that about one million "Gaza" WhiteTara Oct 2023 #7

...and the violence, death and destruction of today will affect them for the rest of their lives. roamer65 Oct 2023 #23

so let's wipe themn from the face of the earth? WhiteTara Oct 2023 #50

Never ending cycle with us humans, eh? roamer65 Oct 2023 #59

It's a damn heartbreak. WhiteTara Oct 2023 #66

Let us not confuse Hamas with the rest of Palestinian people. Earth-shine Oct 2023 #12

That horse has left the barn here, sadly. roamer65 Oct 2023 #19

👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 onecaliberal Oct 2023 #107

I don't want war. Igel Oct 2023 #167

+1 MustLoveBeagles Oct 2023 #155

I have no sympathy for Hamas. ShazzieB Oct 2023 #15

Thank you MustLoveBeagles Oct 2023 #152

+100. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #161

There are at least 2 million people living in Gaza SalamanderSleeps Oct 2023 #18

Yup, they even clarified their position to say "the Palestinian cause" onecaliberal Oct 2023 #113

your opinion of the cause of millions is defined by the behavior of a small subgroup ok msongs Oct 2023 #20

Honestly. Would they have blamed the Jews who failed to vote out/take out Hitler for the Holocaust? hlthe2b Oct 2023 #38

if the population were 100% Jewish ... Igel Oct 2023 #170

It sucks ForgedCrank Oct 2023 #24

Evacuate where? GoodRaisin Oct 2023 #53

Then they should exact revenge on those who perpetrated this atrocity. paleotn Oct 2023 #81

No idea. ForgedCrank Oct 2023 #123

Elsewhere. Igel Oct 2023 #171

Glad to hear GoodRaisin Oct 2023 #176

What? I am (maybe blissfully) unaware of that Dave says Oct 2023 #26

Saw footage orangecrush Oct 2023 #29

Um, I'm sorry to break it to you, but Hamas is 100% identical to ISIS-level sadism Marius25 Oct 2023 #58

Oh no. That is so terrible to hear. Dave says Oct 2023 #73

2nd gen Ikhwan and offshoots. Igel Oct 2023 #173

Palestinian, Hamas and Gaza are not interchangeable terms. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #27

They seem to be to a chunk of folks here obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #32

I've seen the way people here talk about those in red states; it doesn't surprise me. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #34

Yup... One can hardly differentiate some of the posts from those on far RW websites lately. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #42

Broad brushes are the default. Igel Oct 2023 #174

It's frightening just how quickly this can happen. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2023 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author The_Casual_Observer Oct 2023 #97

there's a line between Hamas and Palestinians Takket Oct 2023 #30

The more apt comparison Zeitghost Oct 2023 #36

The world does not distinguish between Anti-Trump Americans and Tump-supporting MAGATS. All they hlthe2b Oct 2023 #55

People are myopic. Igel Oct 2023 #178

There is no line between Americans and Magats DontBelieveEastisEas Oct 2023 #76

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2023 #129

Hamas does not equal Palestinians Docreed2003 Oct 2023 #33

tyvm... WarGamer Oct 2023 #40

they kind of do moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #41

Gaza is already wiped out. They've been fucking bombed for decades. onecaliberal Oct 2023 #116

Hardly. Igel Oct 2023 #180

No they don't, America doesn't equal MAGA uponit7771 Oct 2023 #130

So inthewind21 Oct 2023 #225

But Hamas isn't the folks who live in GAZA... WarGamer Oct 2023 #39

Who is "they"? milestogo Oct 2023 #46

One can oppose the occupation... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2023 #49

Going by what I saw orangecrush Oct 2023 #54

That's anecdotal and even if it wasn't propaganda works, There are streets in America lined with KKK uponit7771 Oct 2023 #133

The civilians need to reject Hamas. I read th a recent poll showed 58% in Gaza support Hamas. CentralMass Oct 2023 #51

Tough on terrorism, tough on the causes of terrorism DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2023 #56

This is not a both sides issue as far as I am concerned. If the civilian population i supportive, CentralMass Oct 2023 #91

And if you read the election results & polling in Putin's Russia he won with nearly 78% of the vote hlthe2b Oct 2023 #61

Hamas was elected by the people TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #82

They are a subjugated people and have been for decades. "elected by the people" READ MY POST hlthe2b Oct 2023 #84

Same here. So many ignorant comments. onecaliberal Oct 2023 #120

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2023 #136

There is just as much disinformation towards Israel here btw Marius25 Oct 2023 #163

It's sad how many times this same information is corrected on here redqueen Oct 2023 #182

Elected by the people? MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #87

Give it a rest MCE. Disaffected Oct 2023 #119

Nope, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #121

+1, uponit7771 Oct 2023 #138

The Odd Thing About That Election, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2023 #219

Excellent description sir. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #220

And Trump inthewind21 Oct 2023 #226

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 uponit7771 Oct 2023 #134

This kind of broad sweeping condemnation of a melting pot of different peoples doesn't help Quixote1818 Oct 2023 #52

The Palestinian cause and Gaza were not responsible for what happened to the hostages. Autumn Oct 2023 #57

Have sympathy for the Men too. DontBelieveEastisEas Oct 2023 #217

I do have sympaty for them, I used women and children Autumn Oct 2023 #221

Hamas raised the level of Inhumanity and evil to 10... expect nothing JCMach1 Oct 2023 #224

Hamas won't be the ones dying. It will be the innocents. nt Autumn Oct 2023 #234

In war it is always lip service to preventing collateral damage JCMach1 Oct 2023 #235

Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #62

Your opinion of me orangecrush Oct 2023 #69

I still have sympathy for Palestinians. Hamas is the problem. honest.abe Oct 2023 #63

I'm not so sure. The reason that there haven't been elections in the Palestinian territories since tritsofme Oct 2023 #78

According to a PCPSR survey, 58% in Gaza and 42% in the West Bank support Hamas. honest.abe Oct 2023 #85

It doesn't give details on where the rest of the support is, but I doubt a large portion is going to tritsofme Oct 2023 #95

It's hard to say whats actually going in there but.. honest.abe Oct 2023 #100

The people didn't choose the current HAMAS leadership, that's a fact not in dispute. uponit7771 Oct 2023 #140

That's nice, I guess? It's also not something I ever disputed... tritsofme Oct 2023 #145

I disagree, "they know Hamas would win any new election in a landslide." is intimating the people uponit7771 Oct 2023 #147

Why do you suppose they have suppressed elections for so long? tritsofme Oct 2023 #154

Not my impression so far... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #177

Their God commanded it. Thunderbeast Oct 2023 #64

I think the whole world got a massive wake-up call this weekend Marius25 Oct 2023 #65

Fuck them straight to hell orangecrush Oct 2023 #77

It's horrific. Marius25 Oct 2023 #79

This is true, I rarely paid attention to ME fights because they all seemed to be too complicated but uponit7771 Oct 2023 #143

Conflating Hamas, Gaza, and Palestinians is an unfortunately common error. RockRaven Oct 2023 #71

Whatever orangecrush Oct 2023 #80

Posting this does not make your point. Are there 2 million people in your video? onecaliberal Oct 2023 #122

Amazing inthewind21 Oct 2023 #227

So, after Israel destroys Hamas and brings the terrorists to account, will PatrickforB Oct 2023 #83

The problem with your argument is other oppressed groups haven't resorted to this Marius25 Oct 2023 #104

Well, that isn't quite true. PatrickforB Oct 2023 #201

The problem inthewind21 Oct 2023 #229

Hear fucking hear!! onecaliberal Oct 2023 #124

Hamas are evil, but they aren't the average Palestinian. nt pnwmom Oct 2023 #88

58% support orangecrush Oct 2023 #92

That number, from a single poll, came BEFORE this attack. pnwmom Oct 2023 #94

+1, and the number is relatively low seeing they're the only organization to run anything. uponit7771 Oct 2023 #150

And almost half the population is under 18. Children aren't answering polls about Hamas.nt pnwmom Oct 2023 #184

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2023 #185

+10000000000000000 Celerity Oct 2023 #200

That's horrible numbers for HAMAS, thx for this polling proves there are not enough people behind uponit7771 Oct 2023 #148

There's a video of beheaded Israeli soldiers. Swede Oct 2023 #90

Why inthewind21 Oct 2023 #230

Because this stuff has to be witnessed. Swede Oct 2023 #238

Cutting off water and electricity to Gaza will kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. TheRickles Oct 2023 #109

What solution would you propose TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #233

Palestinians are not all Hamas. applegrove Oct 2023 #114

If you think you're not confused then you really don't understand what's going on mactire Oct 2023 #131

That blanket lack of compassion is precisely how genocide begins and is justified Fiendish Thingy Oct 2023 #118

This situation is horrific. liberalmuse Oct 2023 #125

I don't care what anyone says, screw Hamas, screw that bastard Likud party tornado34jh Oct 2023 #132

It's difficult to not get emotional, but the Palestinians have been in a living hell for decades. No TeamProg Oct 2023 #137

The Israel government IS a right-wing government, people here seem to forget that. tornado34jh Oct 2023 #159

So because Israel has a RW govt. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #164

More than a RW government, get a life. nt TeamProg Oct 2023 #187

Get a life? MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #188

Why are you so condescending? MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #228

No, I do not think it was justified tornado34jh Oct 2023 #189

I never ever said that the Palestinians are the only ones responsible, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #192

That I agree on tornado34jh Oct 2023 #239

Thank you. TeamProg Oct 2023 #186

In that situation, I might resort to some forms of violence to fight back... Silent3 Oct 2023 #204

The Republicans feel the same quakerboy Oct 2023 #144

I'm almost always on the Palestinian side budkin Oct 2023 #151

Same here. orangecrush Oct 2023 #191

Fuck Hamas and hopefully, they can be eliminated, but AdamGG Oct 2023 #157

Considering the Arab League declared war on Jews before Israel existed Marius25 Oct 2023 #162

Hamas isn't all Palestinians iemanja Oct 2023 #198

The hostages will all likely be killed pfitz59 Oct 2023 #207

Sadly I agree orangecrush Oct 2023 #231

Mahalo, orangecrush.. I didn't Cha Oct 2023 #212

The problem is that orangecrush is equating Hamas pnwmom Oct 2023 #218

100% on point here SunImp Oct 2023 #232

Hamas did win an election to gain control of Gaza AdamGG Oct 2023 #241

They haven't been given the chance to vote in a new legislature or President since then. pnwmom Oct 2023 #242

Thank you, Cha orangecrush Oct 2023 #222

Yes, it is.. and I've read that Cha Oct 2023 #223

I have sympathy SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #236

I feel bad for the children involved BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #237

I also feel bad for the children involved. Stuart G Oct 2023 #240