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173. 2nd gen Ikhwan and offshoots.

Reply to Marius25 (Reply #58)

Mon Oct 9, 2023, 10:45 PM

Oct 2023

Okay, maybe 3rd gen. I still think I'm 21 when that was a long, long time ago.

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So I just lost any sympathy for the Palestinian cause and Gaza [View all] orangecrush Oct 2023 OP

Agreed. Last week I felt differently. People here are post shaming me Tomconroy Oct 2023 #1

Blaming all of Gaza for a few terrorists is not cool LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #48

Its not just a few. They were voted into power. boston bean Oct 2023 #68

10 years ago and nothing since and even then it was a dodgy election. Hamas would not even have Bev54 Oct 2023 #98

It was not a dodgy election. boston bean Oct 2023 #99

Sorry but yes it was and it was basically a coup taking over the Palestinian government. Bev54 Oct 2023 #112

No. I am sure they want sqfety for themselves. boston bean Oct 2023 #115

Yeah MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #153

Go read. It was huge turn out. There was mo violence. And Hamas won. boston bean Oct 2023 #165

A few? paleotn Oct 2023 #74

2 million in Gaza LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #117

".. a few took arms.." Please Don't Cha Oct 2023 #211

Am I allowed to think poorly about the thousands of Gazans Igel Oct 2023 #102

I'd rather be dead.... Fichefinder Oct 2023 #2

I'd rather be living in Israel than under the jackboot of Hamas. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #6

i agree. and i wouldnt stop with hamas moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #37

Fine, don't fucking live there, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #8

They could have had Bill Clinton's deal. And prevented all of this. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #9

Horseshit. MicaelS Oct 2023 #10

You don't have any right to speak for everyone Arazi Oct 2023 #14

Well, he speaks for me MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #17

I am speaking for those with common sense. MicaelS Oct 2023 #22

How condescending MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #156

Welcome to DU orangecrush Oct 2023 #25

Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #35

Really??? GP6971 Oct 2023 #43

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2023 #47

He's no daisy ... marble falls Oct 2023 #67

Welcome to DU. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #44

They're not getting a choice tonight... GP6971 Oct 2023 #70

LOL!!! MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #72

... mcar Oct 2023 #128

lol Old School Cha Oct 2023 #213

You don't seem like you like to play nice. LuckyCharms Oct 2023 #45

Found this one at the bottom of the drawer, didn't you. egduj Oct 2023 #60

Stop murdering innocent Israelis. paleotn Oct 2023 #75

Alternatively, or additionally, stop murdering innocent Palestinians Orrex Oct 2023 #108

Somehow I suspect that you will quickly change your mind Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #111

How would you feel ... Straw Man Oct 2023 #215

And wait until they start executing for the world to see. Worse than ISIS question everything Oct 2023 #3

Worse than ISIS ? speak easy Oct 2023 #86

Wait. You had sympathy for Hamas? MyNameIsJonas Oct 2023 #4

+1 Celerity Oct 2023 #11

Edited for clarification orangecrush Oct 2023 #28

So now your are holding 2.1 million Gazans, 1 million + who are teens and younger, to account Celerity Oct 2023 #31

Collective punishment is a war crime. speak easy Oct 2023 #89

and yet I see some advocating for it, either openly or via nebulous framings Celerity Oct 2023 #105

The German people were bullied into accepting the Nazi Party's grab for power. Frasier Balzov Oct 2023 #93

As previously and correctly stated by multiple posters here (including on this very thread) Celerity Oct 2023 #126

Well Mister President, I would say that General Ripper has already invalidated THAT policy. Frasier Balzov Oct 2023 #127

The fictional General Ripper was an arch villain. Fuck ALL war criminals. Celerity Oct 2023 #175

But was Buck Turgidson? Frasier Balzov Oct 2023 #179

Yes. Celerity Oct 2023 #183

Send a copy to Mr. Haniyeh, won't you? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #158

So now we are going to base our moral & legal stances upon the actions of a butcher terrorist? Celerity Oct 2023 #172

By what perverted logic do you propose I base my moral and legal stances on anything other than Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #190

Collective punishment is a war crime. Celerity Oct 2023 #193

And clearly, Hamas cares nothing for minimizing civilian deaths. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #195

Chalk and cheese. Hamas signed their own death warrants. The vast majority of civilian Palestinians Celerity Oct 2023 #197

Hamas signed all the death warrants, including those for the vast majority of Gazans. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #203

My ice is thick, yours is damn near shattered. Celerity Oct 2023 #206

Did I ever argue that it is acceptable for civilians to be slaughtered? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #209

Thank you for your post. GhostHunter22 Oct 2023 #101

...... MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #103

I'm sorry you had to witness this MustLoveBeagles Oct 2023 #146

+1 MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #168

A few disparate comments. Igel Oct 2023 #160

I'm Sickened By the Slaughter of Cha Oct 2023 #214

Does it ever occur to anyone that Hamas is solely responsible for the fate of Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #135

It's occured to me that some MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #139

A member of Congress who was in Israel just pointed out Marius25 Oct 2023 #141

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #142

NO MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #166

I never said there were some here defending Hamas, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #169

No they are not. Collective punishment is a war crime. Celerity Oct 2023 #181

Yes they are. You should read up on the Fourth Geneva Convention Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #194

Good luck pushing that pretzel logic at a war crimes tribunal IF Israel goes in and wilfully Celerity Oct 2023 #196

The Fourth Geneva Convention is founded on pretzel logic? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #199

no, bur your attempted use of it is though Celerity Oct 2023 #202

Are you referring to my attempted direct quote from the document, link included? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #205

no, I am referring to your twisting of it in terms of application Celerity Oct 2023 #208

I cited the damn text verbatim! What in it did I twist? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #210

That's All I've Ever Been Cha Oct 2023 #216

I had a thought. Igel Oct 2023 #149

Welcome to DU orangecrush Oct 2023 #21

There's a learning curve. Igel Oct 2023 #110

Why in the world would you have 'sympathy' for Hamas ? You probably didn't want to really GuppyGal Oct 2023 #5

If you look into BiBis dealings with Hamas you will be astonished. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #13

Sorry I meant orangecrush Oct 2023 #16

Wow. I guess MAGA speaks for you too. onecaliberal Oct 2023 #106

except that about one million "Gaza" WhiteTara Oct 2023 #7

...and the violence, death and destruction of today will affect them for the rest of their lives. roamer65 Oct 2023 #23

so let's wipe themn from the face of the earth? WhiteTara Oct 2023 #50

Never ending cycle with us humans, eh? roamer65 Oct 2023 #59

It's a damn heartbreak. WhiteTara Oct 2023 #66

Let us not confuse Hamas with the rest of Palestinian people. Earth-shine Oct 2023 #12

That horse has left the barn here, sadly. roamer65 Oct 2023 #19

👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 onecaliberal Oct 2023 #107

I don't want war. Igel Oct 2023 #167

+1 MustLoveBeagles Oct 2023 #155

I have no sympathy for Hamas. ShazzieB Oct 2023 #15

Thank you MustLoveBeagles Oct 2023 #152

+100. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #161

There are at least 2 million people living in Gaza SalamanderSleeps Oct 2023 #18

Yup, they even clarified their position to say "the Palestinian cause" onecaliberal Oct 2023 #113

your opinion of the cause of millions is defined by the behavior of a small subgroup ok msongs Oct 2023 #20

Honestly. Would they have blamed the Jews who failed to vote out/take out Hitler for the Holocaust? hlthe2b Oct 2023 #38

if the population were 100% Jewish ... Igel Oct 2023 #170

It sucks ForgedCrank Oct 2023 #24

Evacuate where? GoodRaisin Oct 2023 #53

Then they should exact revenge on those who perpetrated this atrocity. paleotn Oct 2023 #81

No idea. ForgedCrank Oct 2023 #123

Elsewhere. Igel Oct 2023 #171

Glad to hear GoodRaisin Oct 2023 #176

What? I am (maybe blissfully) unaware of that Dave says Oct 2023 #26

Saw footage orangecrush Oct 2023 #29

Um, I'm sorry to break it to you, but Hamas is 100% identical to ISIS-level sadism Marius25 Oct 2023 #58

Oh no. That is so terrible to hear. Dave says Oct 2023 #73

2nd gen Ikhwan and offshoots. Igel Oct 2023 #173

Palestinian, Hamas and Gaza are not interchangeable terms. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #27

They seem to be to a chunk of folks here obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #32

I've seen the way people here talk about those in red states; it doesn't surprise me. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #34

Yup... One can hardly differentiate some of the posts from those on far RW websites lately. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #42

Broad brushes are the default. Igel Oct 2023 #174

It's frightening just how quickly this can happen. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2023 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author The_Casual_Observer Oct 2023 #97

there's a line between Hamas and Palestinians Takket Oct 2023 #30

The more apt comparison Zeitghost Oct 2023 #36

The world does not distinguish between Anti-Trump Americans and Tump-supporting MAGATS. All they hlthe2b Oct 2023 #55

People are myopic. Igel Oct 2023 #178

There is no line between Americans and Magats DontBelieveEastisEas Oct 2023 #76

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2023 #129

Hamas does not equal Palestinians Docreed2003 Oct 2023 #33

tyvm... WarGamer Oct 2023 #40

they kind of do moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #41

Gaza is already wiped out. They've been fucking bombed for decades. onecaliberal Oct 2023 #116

Hardly. Igel Oct 2023 #180

No they don't, America doesn't equal MAGA uponit7771 Oct 2023 #130

So inthewind21 Oct 2023 #225

But Hamas isn't the folks who live in GAZA... WarGamer Oct 2023 #39

Who is "they"? milestogo Oct 2023 #46

One can oppose the occupation... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2023 #49

Going by what I saw orangecrush Oct 2023 #54

That's anecdotal and even if it wasn't propaganda works, There are streets in America lined with KKK uponit7771 Oct 2023 #133

The civilians need to reject Hamas. I read th a recent poll showed 58% in Gaza support Hamas. CentralMass Oct 2023 #51

Tough on terrorism, tough on the causes of terrorism DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2023 #56

This is not a both sides issue as far as I am concerned. If the civilian population i supportive, CentralMass Oct 2023 #91

And if you read the election results & polling in Putin's Russia he won with nearly 78% of the vote hlthe2b Oct 2023 #61

Hamas was elected by the people TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #82

They are a subjugated people and have been for decades. "elected by the people" READ MY POST hlthe2b Oct 2023 #84

Same here. So many ignorant comments. onecaliberal Oct 2023 #120

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2023 #136

There is just as much disinformation towards Israel here btw Marius25 Oct 2023 #163

It's sad how many times this same information is corrected on here redqueen Oct 2023 #182

Elected by the people? MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #87

Give it a rest MCE. Disaffected Oct 2023 #119

Nope, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #121

+1, uponit7771 Oct 2023 #138

The Odd Thing About That Election, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2023 #219

Excellent description sir. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #220

And Trump inthewind21 Oct 2023 #226

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 uponit7771 Oct 2023 #134

This kind of broad sweeping condemnation of a melting pot of different peoples doesn't help Quixote1818 Oct 2023 #52

The Palestinian cause and Gaza were not responsible for what happened to the hostages. Autumn Oct 2023 #57

Have sympathy for the Men too. DontBelieveEastisEas Oct 2023 #217

I do have sympaty for them, I used women and children Autumn Oct 2023 #221

Hamas raised the level of Inhumanity and evil to 10... expect nothing JCMach1 Oct 2023 #224

Hamas won't be the ones dying. It will be the innocents. nt Autumn Oct 2023 #234

In war it is always lip service to preventing collateral damage JCMach1 Oct 2023 #235

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Your opinion of me orangecrush Oct 2023 #69

I still have sympathy for Palestinians. Hamas is the problem. honest.abe Oct 2023 #63

I'm not so sure. The reason that there haven't been elections in the Palestinian territories since tritsofme Oct 2023 #78

According to a PCPSR survey, 58% in Gaza and 42% in the West Bank support Hamas. honest.abe Oct 2023 #85

It doesn't give details on where the rest of the support is, but I doubt a large portion is going to tritsofme Oct 2023 #95

It's hard to say whats actually going in there but.. honest.abe Oct 2023 #100

The people didn't choose the current HAMAS leadership, that's a fact not in dispute. uponit7771 Oct 2023 #140

That's nice, I guess? It's also not something I ever disputed... tritsofme Oct 2023 #145

I disagree, "they know Hamas would win any new election in a landslide." is intimating the people uponit7771 Oct 2023 #147

Why do you suppose they have suppressed elections for so long? tritsofme Oct 2023 #154

Not my impression so far... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #177

Their God commanded it. Thunderbeast Oct 2023 #64

I think the whole world got a massive wake-up call this weekend Marius25 Oct 2023 #65

Fuck them straight to hell orangecrush Oct 2023 #77

It's horrific. Marius25 Oct 2023 #79

This is true, I rarely paid attention to ME fights because they all seemed to be too complicated but uponit7771 Oct 2023 #143

Conflating Hamas, Gaza, and Palestinians is an unfortunately common error. RockRaven Oct 2023 #71

Whatever orangecrush Oct 2023 #80

Posting this does not make your point. Are there 2 million people in your video? onecaliberal Oct 2023 #122

Amazing inthewind21 Oct 2023 #227

So, after Israel destroys Hamas and brings the terrorists to account, will PatrickforB Oct 2023 #83

The problem with your argument is other oppressed groups haven't resorted to this Marius25 Oct 2023 #104

Well, that isn't quite true. PatrickforB Oct 2023 #201

The problem inthewind21 Oct 2023 #229

Hear fucking hear!! onecaliberal Oct 2023 #124

Hamas are evil, but they aren't the average Palestinian. nt pnwmom Oct 2023 #88

58% support orangecrush Oct 2023 #92

That number, from a single poll, came BEFORE this attack. pnwmom Oct 2023 #94

+1, and the number is relatively low seeing they're the only organization to run anything. uponit7771 Oct 2023 #150

And almost half the population is under 18. Children aren't answering polls about Hamas.nt pnwmom Oct 2023 #184

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2023 #185

+10000000000000000 Celerity Oct 2023 #200

That's horrible numbers for HAMAS, thx for this polling proves there are not enough people behind uponit7771 Oct 2023 #148

There's a video of beheaded Israeli soldiers. Swede Oct 2023 #90

Why inthewind21 Oct 2023 #230

Because this stuff has to be witnessed. Swede Oct 2023 #238

Cutting off water and electricity to Gaza will kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. TheRickles Oct 2023 #109

What solution would you propose TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #233

Palestinians are not all Hamas. applegrove Oct 2023 #114

If you think you're not confused then you really don't understand what's going on mactire Oct 2023 #131

That blanket lack of compassion is precisely how genocide begins and is justified Fiendish Thingy Oct 2023 #118

This situation is horrific. liberalmuse Oct 2023 #125

I don't care what anyone says, screw Hamas, screw that bastard Likud party tornado34jh Oct 2023 #132

It's difficult to not get emotional, but the Palestinians have been in a living hell for decades. No TeamProg Oct 2023 #137

The Israel government IS a right-wing government, people here seem to forget that. tornado34jh Oct 2023 #159

So because Israel has a RW govt. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #164

More than a RW government, get a life. nt TeamProg Oct 2023 #187

Get a life? MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #188

Why are you so condescending? MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #228

No, I do not think it was justified tornado34jh Oct 2023 #189

I never ever said that the Palestinians are the only ones responsible, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #192

That I agree on tornado34jh Oct 2023 #239

Thank you. TeamProg Oct 2023 #186

In that situation, I might resort to some forms of violence to fight back... Silent3 Oct 2023 #204

The Republicans feel the same quakerboy Oct 2023 #144

I'm almost always on the Palestinian side budkin Oct 2023 #151

Same here. orangecrush Oct 2023 #191

Fuck Hamas and hopefully, they can be eliminated, but AdamGG Oct 2023 #157

Considering the Arab League declared war on Jews before Israel existed Marius25 Oct 2023 #162

Hamas isn't all Palestinians iemanja Oct 2023 #198

The hostages will all likely be killed pfitz59 Oct 2023 #207

Sadly I agree orangecrush Oct 2023 #231

Mahalo, orangecrush.. I didn't Cha Oct 2023 #212

The problem is that orangecrush is equating Hamas pnwmom Oct 2023 #218

100% on point here SunImp Oct 2023 #232

Hamas did win an election to gain control of Gaza AdamGG Oct 2023 #241

They haven't been given the chance to vote in a new legislature or President since then. pnwmom Oct 2023 #242

Thank you, Cha orangecrush Oct 2023 #222

Yes, it is.. and I've read that Cha Oct 2023 #223

I have sympathy SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #236

I feel bad for the children involved BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #237

I also feel bad for the children involved. Stuart G Oct 2023 #240