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In reply to the discussion: So I just lost any sympathy for the Palestinian cause and Gaza [View all]Beastly Boy
(9,723 posts)194. Yes they are. You should read up on the Fourth Geneva Convention
Specifically, Articles 28 and 29:
ART. 28. The presence of a protected person may not be used
to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.
ART. 29. The Party to the conflict in whose hands protected
persons may be, is responsible for the treatment accorded to them
by its agents, irrespective of any individual responsibility which may
be incurred
to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.
ART. 29. The Party to the conflict in whose hands protected
persons may be, is responsible for the treatment accorded to them
by its agents, irrespective of any individual responsibility which may
be incurred
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.33_GC-IV-EN.pdf
Hamas is responsible for insuring that their militants provide adequate protection from hostilities to the protected persons (Gaza civilians in this case). If they do not, and deliberately or negligently expose civilians to the dangers of military operations, they may indeed be commiting the war crime of collective punishment.
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10 years ago and nothing since and even then it was a dodgy election. Hamas would not even have
Bev54
Oct 2023
#98
Sorry but yes it was and it was basically a coup taking over the Palestinian government.
Bev54
Oct 2023
#112
And wait until they start executing for the world to see. Worse than ISIS
question everything
Oct 2023
#3
So now your are holding 2.1 million Gazans, 1 million + who are teens and younger, to account
Celerity
Oct 2023
#31
The German people were bullied into accepting the Nazi Party's grab for power.
Frasier Balzov
Oct 2023
#93
As previously and correctly stated by multiple posters here (including on this very thread)
Celerity
Oct 2023
#126
Well Mister President, I would say that General Ripper has already invalidated THAT policy.
Frasier Balzov
Oct 2023
#127
So now we are going to base our moral & legal stances upon the actions of a butcher terrorist?
Celerity
Oct 2023
#172
By what perverted logic do you propose I base my moral and legal stances on anything other than
Beastly Boy
Oct 2023
#190
Chalk and cheese. Hamas signed their own death warrants. The vast majority of civilian Palestinians
Celerity
Oct 2023
#197
Hamas signed all the death warrants, including those for the vast majority of Gazans.
Beastly Boy
Oct 2023
#203
Does it ever occur to anyone that Hamas is solely responsible for the fate of
Beastly Boy
Oct 2023
#135
Good luck pushing that pretzel logic at a war crimes tribunal IF Israel goes in and wilfully
Celerity
Oct 2023
#196
Are you referring to my attempted direct quote from the document, link included?
Beastly Boy
Oct 2023
#205
Why in the world would you have 'sympathy' for Hamas ? You probably didn't want to really
GuppyGal
Oct 2023
#5
...and the violence, death and destruction of today will affect them for the rest of their lives.
roamer65
Oct 2023
#23
your opinion of the cause of millions is defined by the behavior of a small subgroup ok
msongs
Oct 2023
#20
Honestly. Would they have blamed the Jews who failed to vote out/take out Hitler for the Holocaust?
hlthe2b
Oct 2023
#38
Um, I'm sorry to break it to you, but Hamas is 100% identical to ISIS-level sadism
Marius25
Oct 2023
#58
I've seen the way people here talk about those in red states; it doesn't surprise me.
WhiskeyGrinder
Oct 2023
#34
Yup... One can hardly differentiate some of the posts from those on far RW websites lately.
hlthe2b
Oct 2023
#42
The world does not distinguish between Anti-Trump Americans and Tump-supporting MAGATS. All they
hlthe2b
Oct 2023
#55
That's anecdotal and even if it wasn't propaganda works, There are streets in America lined with KKK
uponit7771
Oct 2023
#133
The civilians need to reject Hamas. I read th a recent poll showed 58% in Gaza support Hamas.
CentralMass
Oct 2023
#51
This is not a both sides issue as far as I am concerned. If the civilian population i supportive,
CentralMass
Oct 2023
#91
And if you read the election results & polling in Putin's Russia he won with nearly 78% of the vote
hlthe2b
Oct 2023
#61
They are a subjugated people and have been for decades. "elected by the people" READ MY POST
hlthe2b
Oct 2023
#84
This kind of broad sweeping condemnation of a melting pot of different peoples doesn't help
Quixote1818
Oct 2023
#52
The Palestinian cause and Gaza were not responsible for what happened to the hostages.
Autumn
Oct 2023
#57
I'm not so sure. The reason that there haven't been elections in the Palestinian territories since
tritsofme
Oct 2023
#78
According to a PCPSR survey, 58% in Gaza and 42% in the West Bank support Hamas.
honest.abe
Oct 2023
#85
It doesn't give details on where the rest of the support is, but I doubt a large portion is going to
tritsofme
Oct 2023
#95
The people didn't choose the current HAMAS leadership, that's a fact not in dispute.
uponit7771
Oct 2023
#140
I disagree, "they know Hamas would win any new election in a landslide." is intimating the people
uponit7771
Oct 2023
#147
This is true, I rarely paid attention to ME fights because they all seemed to be too complicated but
uponit7771
Oct 2023
#143
Posting this does not make your point. Are there 2 million people in your video?
onecaliberal
Oct 2023
#122
The problem with your argument is other oppressed groups haven't resorted to this
Marius25
Oct 2023
#104
+1, and the number is relatively low seeing they're the only organization to run anything.
uponit7771
Oct 2023
#150
And almost half the population is under 18. Children aren't answering polls about Hamas.nt
pnwmom
Oct 2023
#184
That's horrible numbers for HAMAS, thx for this polling proves there are not enough people behind
uponit7771
Oct 2023
#148
Cutting off water and electricity to Gaza will kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.
TheRickles
Oct 2023
#109
If you think you're not confused then you really don't understand what's going on
mactire
Oct 2023
#131
That blanket lack of compassion is precisely how genocide begins and is justified
Fiendish Thingy
Oct 2023
#118
I don't care what anyone says, screw Hamas, screw that bastard Likud party
tornado34jh
Oct 2023
#132
It's difficult to not get emotional, but the Palestinians have been in a living hell for decades. No
TeamProg
Oct 2023
#137
The Israel government IS a right-wing government, people here seem to forget that.
tornado34jh
Oct 2023
#159
I never ever said that the Palestinians are the only ones responsible,
MarineCombatEngineer
Oct 2023
#192