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Beastly Boy

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20. The obvious purpose of this post is to accuse Israel of imposing collective punishment. Not so fast.
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 12:52 AM
Oct 2023

The definition given talks of "types of sanctions, harassment or administrative action taken against a group in retaliation for an act committed by an individual/s who are considered to form part of the group."

Who does Israel sanction? Hamas.
Who does Israel harass? Hamas.
Who is the group being retaliated against? Hamas.
Which individuals does Israel act against that do not belong to the group called Hamas?... Crickets.

Does Israel have the right to sanction, harass, administer retaliatory actions against Hamas? Absolutely.
Who is responsible for the well being of protected people in such circumstance? Hamas.

This is what Articles 28 and 29 of the fourth Geneva Conventions say:

ART. 28. — The presence of a protected person may not be used
to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.

ART. 29. — The Party to the conflict in whose hands protected
persons may be, is responsible for the treatment accorded to them
by its agents, irrespective of any individual responsibility which may
be incurred

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.33_GC-IV-EN.pdf

But it's easy enough to imply guilt by association when you only tell the part of the story that fits your narrative.

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Yeah why don't those Israelis just TheProle Oct 2023 #1
Or they can just kill all the uniformed soldiers and marybourg Oct 2023 #4
+1 orangecrush Oct 2023 #6
bingo Maru Kitteh Oct 2023 #9
Someone should write a sternly worded letter to Hamas about this Sympthsical Oct 2023 #2
That'll show em. BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #3
Are the full throated supporters of Israel ready to choke this The_Casual_Observer Oct 2023 #5
Are you including the President in that question? Sympthsical Oct 2023 #7
I don't answer questions. Sorry. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2023 #10
Just Ask Them, Eh? The Magistrate Oct 2023 #11
Pffftttt The_Casual_Observer Oct 2023 #12
Had A Two Year Old Do Something Similar Once The Magistrate Oct 2023 #14
Good for you! The_Casual_Observer Oct 2023 #15
I Expect You'll Bore Me Soon Enough The Magistrate Oct 2023 #19
They already did, I suspect... DemocraticPatriot Oct 2023 #23
Just ask them and say " Pffftttt' Cha Oct 2023 #25
Questions for everyone else (your post #5) but not for you? Okay, we see. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2023 #41
Neither are Israel or the United States. That's pathetic. OrangeJoe Oct 2023 #33
Yeah Calculating Oct 2023 #18
Thank You For Putting This Up, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2023 #8
K&R DBoon Oct 2023 #13
yep TomDaisy Oct 2023 #16
Biden does but someone also must pay for that flamingdem Oct 2023 #17
It Certainly Does Help To See What It Actually Is, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2023 #21
The obvious purpose of this post is to accuse Israel of imposing collective punishment. Not so fast. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #20
It Can Be Reasonably Argued, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2023 #22
Indeed it could be argued, and it has been. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #29
No One Is Going To Enforce International Law Here, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2023 #30
Israel announces 'complete siege' of Gaza, cutting its electricity, food, water, and fuel TomDaisy Oct 2023 #26
I can find no references to international laws that govern the transfer of resources Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #34
I found a reference under "collective punishment" TomDaisy Oct 2023 #35
Does it have to do with transfering resources between belligerent parties? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #44
it has to do with punishing innocent children TomDaisy Oct 2023 #46
So what exatcly does one party not transferring resources to another party constitute Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #47
since they have the power to do this treestar Oct 2023 #48
Where do you draw the line between collective punishment and collateral damage? Silent3 Oct 2023 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author TomDaisy Oct 2023 #27
What the Butchers of HAMAS Did Is A WAR CRIME. Cha Oct 2023 #28
That description fits Hamas's actions perfectly. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #31
To date there is no evidence that Israel is imposing collective Tomconroy Oct 2023 #32
other than cutting off all water, power, fuel and food to Gaza TomDaisy Oct 2023 #36
Such a tactic is for now a humane way to put Tomconroy Oct 2023 #37
Regarding government values - Israel controls what goes in and out of Gaza. TomDaisy Oct 2023 #40
Egypt actually controls a fair amount of that border. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #43
Cut off how? It's entirely relevant FBaggins Oct 2023 #45
War crimes only matter for some countries malaise Oct 2023 #38
Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #39
Sherman's march to the sea could then be considered a war crime Kaleva Oct 2023 #42
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