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In reply to the discussion: This is a war crime [View all]

meadowlander

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72. We all have obligations to colonised, refugee states.
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 03:13 PM
Oct 2023

Gaza would not exist in the way that it does if millions of Palestinians had not been displaced by the formation of Israel and decades of war.

I'm not here to comment on the rightness or wrongness of that, but pretending that these are two independent sovereign countries on an equal footing that just suddenly in 2023 got into an argument is disingenuous.

Palestinians spent decades in refugee camps with their wealth completely stripped away from them and no opportunities to recover economically. They were disadvantaged by planning and zoning laws created by the colonising state that only recently left which saw what they did build torn down. So to say now "well it's their fault they didn't invest billions in water and power infrastructure for a strip of land in the middle of the desert off a tax base of refugees with 60% unemployment" is absurd.

The entire Gaza Strip is 141 square miles - a little smaller than Queens in New York with essentially no natural resources. Where are you supposed to fit 2.5 million people and also water reservoirs and solar or wind power farms, etc? Of course they aren't self-sufficient. The country is only 10 years old and has already been cut off and sanctioned that entire time.

That's not the same as economic sanctions on the largest country in the world that has alternative options for supplying its people. The inevitable consequences of cutting off power and water to Gaza is that vulnerable people will die by the tens if not hundreds of thousands. Russian sanctions are a punch in the nose, the sanctions on Gaza are not.

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This is a war crime [View all] AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 OP
Disagree. They want the power and water back, give back the hostages. beaglelover Oct 2023 #1
The 1 million kids in Gaza don't have the hostages. meadowlander Oct 2023 #4
Their government does. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #5
this is who has the hostages? TomDaisy Oct 2023 #21
I don't think the prison analogy really works here. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #32
So the Hunger Games participants should rely on the whims of patrons for food and meds. TomDaisy Oct 2023 #34
I have no idea what that means, having never seen the Hunger Games. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #44
Excellent series! You really should AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #55
because Israel controls all entry of supplies for Palestine MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #84
They do not, Gaza shares a border with Eygpt EX500rider Oct 2023 #89
An open air prison SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #63
Palestine is not really a democracy any more MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #74
Economic sanctions aren't the same as killing power in a hospital AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #33
The point of economic sanctions is to hurt an economy and cause suffering. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #41
Yes but it's important that we make the distinction AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #60
The purpose of the sanctions was to inhibit their military MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #79
It was to hurt the economy overall. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #82
Putin needs money to fund the military MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #86
They should make appeals then to Hamas to give back the hostages so they can beaglelover Oct 2023 #6
Yes, get right on that two year olds and 90 year olds with dementia. meadowlander Oct 2023 #50
This is on Hamas. What did they expect would happen, kidnapping so many hostages and hiding behind JudyM Oct 2023 #68
THey thought it would provoke Netanyahue to strike aggressively MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #87
Simple. Give back the hostages and the kids get back all. jimfields33 Oct 2023 #53
Yep. Not too hard to understand. beaglelover Oct 2023 #56
It is a literal war crime obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #64
are you talking about Ukraine MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #75
Um, maybe read the tweet at the top of the OP. beaglelover Oct 2023 #77
are you talking about Ukraine MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #76
Yes - abducting civilians and threatening to kill them if attacked - is a war crime FBaggins Oct 2023 #2
So the warden is refusing to feed any of the prisoners because one prisoner is guilty TomDaisy Oct 2023 #7
There's no warden or prison FBaggins Oct 2023 #11
Even Israel says Gaza is an open-air prison TomDaisy Oct 2023 #16
Where has Israel said that? FBaggins Oct 2023 #24
You're going again Human Rights Watch here AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #35
They say that and so does Human Rights Watch TomDaisy Oct 2023 #48
That one prisoner in this ridiculous analogy... BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #14
in what way TomDaisy Oct 2023 #17
Hamas is the government of Gaza. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #25
Hamas has been backed inthewind21 Oct 2023 #42
Well, that was dumb of him. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #46
This explains why Netanyahu backed Hamas - an admitted strategy to kneecap Palestinians TomDaisy Oct 2023 #57
the unelected government. TomDaisy Oct 2023 #52
Sorry but killing babies in incubators is wrong AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #20
so she should pay the price? TomDaisy Oct 2023 #22
No - she shouldn't FBaggins Oct 2023 #27
well, that will definitely solve the problem. all fixed! TomDaisy Oct 2023 #29
We don't have an option of solving her problem FBaggins Oct 2023 #37
Oh I see inthewind21 Oct 2023 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #30
It isn't a country obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #65
Nor should it ever be - now made clear FBaggins Oct 2023 #73
Why is Israel required to keep supplying the entity that attacked it? BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #3
why should a prison warden be required to keep providing food to people in the cages TomDaisy Oct 2023 #9
Not a great analogy. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #12
No they didn't start this. This shit has been going on decades AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #51
Neither is the Ukraine/Russia one obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #67
why should a country feed an enemy country moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #13
and where does the food come from then - magic? TomDaisy Oct 2023 #19
You speak as if Gaza inthewind21 Oct 2023 #59
So it's Israel's fault that Hamas exists? FBaggins Oct 2023 #80
We all have obligations to colonised, refugee states. meadowlander Oct 2023 #72
Well, if we all have an obligation, then I guess the entire world is guilty. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #85
That won't last long. What, he's gonna have people/kids dying of thirst... brush Oct 2023 #8
yes it certainly is GenXer47 Oct 2023 #10
Does it say you have to provide the aid yourself? BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #15
Israel Zeitghost Oct 2023 #18
My "radical ideology" is based in humanity AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #23
If you can't understand Zeitghost Oct 2023 #31
If you don't understand war crimes I urge you to read up AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #40
You calling it a war crime doesn't make it one AkFemDem Oct 2023 #58
It is a war crime - read last paragraph AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #69
⬆️⬆️⬆️ Hamas is all in on antisemitism, rabidly, without regard to who gets hurt. JudyM Oct 2023 #70
+1. A CT theory regarding Israel wanting Gaza's natural gas was posted yesterday. BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #26
Nope. You do not give your enemies the means to continue warfare. NutmegYankee Oct 2023 #28
These folks would have demanded we send ammo, food and meds to the Japanese and Germans in WW2. BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #36
Yes, and would try to shame US while they did so. NutmegYankee Oct 2023 #38
No doubt about it. BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #47
LOL! So true! beaglelover Oct 2023 #39
Need I remind you this country put Japanese Americans in camps? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #43
I know all about it, thanks. BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #45
Good 👍🏼 AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #54
they don't have an army treestar Oct 2023 #81
Yes it is. Goddessartist Oct 2023 #61
throw it on the war crime pile maxsolomon Oct 2023 #62
Yes 👍🏼 AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #71
I believe Russia attacked UKR and Hamas attacked Israel Kaleva Oct 2023 #66
Russia supplies Iran, Iran supplies Hamas MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #88
I liked it better when we were all submersible experts Sympthsical Oct 2023 #78
Line of the day winner BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #83
hahahaha EX500rider Oct 2023 #90
Heady times indeed. Xavier Breath Oct 2023 #91
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