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5. Palestinians don't control what Hamas does

Fri Oct 13, 2023, 10:12 AM

Oct 2023

...and this is compounded by the obvious reality of Hamas' intention that the residents of Gaza be martyrs to their fight against Israel.

This is their game, and Israel is playing right along, disregarding those Palestinian lives as much as Hamas intended them to.

I'm not understanding how a people without the ability to vote for ANY leadership since 2016 is supposed to be responsible for what a small fraction of them perpetrate.

I would note that Israel had enough equilibrium to organize and vote for a coalition to carry out their military response. There is no remotely similar means for Gaza residents to control what the terrorists in Hamas perpetrate.

Being 'generous' is not how I'd describe routing a non-combatant population who has no means to direct anything Hamas does, with no actual plan or strategy for the population to move to the undefined safe spaces.

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Israel is being very generous [View all] orangecrush Oct 2023 OP

Yeah we did the same thing in Fallujah underpants Oct 2023 #1

The US would not allow any male 16 to 80 yrs old to leave Fallujah. Marcus IM Oct 2023 #35

Hamas will evacuate along with civilians dalton99a Oct 2023 #2

Israel knows that I'm sure Arazi Oct 2023 #4

I hope you're correct. maxsolomon Oct 2023 #55

Which is why Egypt isn't letting people through FBaggins Oct 2023 #69

Yup. And they have to move about 10-12 miles to safety Arazi Oct 2023 #3

Palestinians don't control what Hamas does bigtree Oct 2023 #5

The expat, global jubilation in support of Hamas says differently Arazi Oct 2023 #7

Stop gaslighting, Hamas is a heavily armed terrorist group and the Palestinian people have what... krawhitham Oct 2023 #60

+1000000000 redqueen Oct 2023 #61

From your own link half of Gazans want a war with Israel Arazi Oct 2023 #70

if you live under occupation for 50 years you'd want war too, but 73% don't what to be terrorists krawhitham Oct 2023 #76

Why NowISeetheLight Oct 2023 #107

+1 leftstreet Oct 2023 #81

As others have rightly responded to you--your gaslighting is obscene or based on an incredible level hlthe2b Oct 2023 #67

Provide links. Would love to examine them Arazi Oct 2023 #72

I've seen your posts or at least the theads where you have posted and you have been provided them hlthe2b Oct 2023 #73

That's anecdotal and doesn't indicate anything about their support for Hamas Arazi Oct 2023 #83

You don't bother to read the separate post I provided you addressing that so I am now done. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #87

You literally posted that at the same time I was posting Arazi Oct 2023 #90

You know YOU can look things up. Nothing I have posted can not be hlthe2b Oct 2023 #93

I'm a subscriber to WaPo Arazi Oct 2023 #94

You do realize that indoctrinated children are victims, do you not? hlthe2b Oct 2023 #95

Agreed 1000% on the kids Arazi Oct 2023 #96

Of course there are HAMAS supporters--just as there are traitorous MAGATs who want to overthrow hlthe2b Oct 2023 #100

As to your distorted history that suggests full willing, arms spread support for Hamas hlthe2b Oct 2023 #77

Israelis do not control what the IDF does either. This is almost always to case in time of war. totodeinhere Oct 2023 #98

Collective punishment is not generous. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #6

When did a warning to escape a war zone get elevated to the status of collective punishment? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #9

What is the warning for? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #11

For informing civilians of impending military opertion, obviously. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #18

You inthewind21 Oct 2023 #25

This is not a humanitarian operation, Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #27

An excuse to implement collective punishment without warning? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #86

I think you know what he's talking about. Goodheart Oct 2023 #13

I do, and it doesn't make sense. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #19

I'm not impressed with your ability to assess what makes sense. Goodheart Oct 2023 #20

I am not here to impress you. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #22

There is no place to escape too. Demsrule86 Oct 2023 #23

Hamas is responsible for the logistics. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #26

And? It doesn't change the fact that Israel is asking the impossible. And many will Demsrule86 Oct 2023 #30

Israel is not asking for anything. Istael is informing gazans of impending military action Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #37

A warning? How so, they have no way of complying with Israel's order. Demsrule86 Oct 2023 #42

This isn't the first war in history FBaggins Oct 2023 #75

Orders? Wo bdoes Israel order? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #78

Tell me what you think the differnce between a warning and an order is, and, Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #84

Where do you think they will go? obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #40

+1000 That is how I feel and it is what I believe. Demsrule86 Oct 2023 #44

The *farthest* anyone has to go is 12 miles Arazi Oct 2023 #46

I can only tell you where I think they will not go. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #80

When you are giving 24 hours to do something that can't logistically be done in 24 hours? krawhitham Oct 2023 #63

Collective punishment requires a deliberate ation to facilitate it. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #89

Tell the babies Mysterian Oct 2023 #101

Cue in the false equivalencies of why Israel is just like hamas. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #8

Israel is not "just like Hamas" Goodheart Oct 2023 #12

"No, but" Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #17

LOL Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2023 #32

You actually are the one "But Hamas..." all over this thread excusing actions against obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #41

I certainly am not. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #82

Give me a fucking break Goodheart Oct 2023 #10

Let me guess: Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #14

How is it disroportional? Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #28

They can't get out...so what this becomes is indiscriminate killing. I disapprove of this solution. Demsrule86 Oct 2023 #33

Did you read the warning? Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #38

If you look into it. It is not possible. There are probably 2 million people who need to move... Demsrule86 Oct 2023 #39

Two things.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #45

No inthewind21 Oct 2023 #50

But again, you offer NO alternative. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #52

Where do people think they will go? obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #43

And again.... no alternative offered. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #53

At *most* it's 12 miles for those farthest north Arazi Oct 2023 #48

Hunders of innocent Irsailis were slaughtered and over 100 were taken hostage. totodeinhere Oct 2023 #99

Ummmm.... bad take. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #15

Yeah we did the same thing in Fallujah underpants Oct 2023 #16

And I'd argue Fallujah was far less justified. NT Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #47

The plan could be an effort to get Hamas to move and give some indication of where the hostages are Kennah Oct 2023 #21

You beat me to it. usonian Oct 2023 #31

Misdirection is a huge part of warfare Kennah Oct 2023 #106

What Point Do You Think You Are Making, Sir? The Magistrate Oct 2023 #24

This is the distinction worth keeping in mind. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #29

Particularly At Moments Like This, Sir, Hyperbole Only Discredits Its Author The Magistrate Oct 2023 #36

Well said, Sir. orangecrush Oct 2023 #85

I just don't know if turning Gaza City into Mariupol or Allepo will do Israel huge favors Tommy Carcetti Oct 2023 #34

Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #49

Welcome to DU sarisataka Oct 2023 #59

I honestly don't know what people expect Israel to do ripcord Oct 2023 #51

They have no idea. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #54

They won't come right out and say it but they think Israel should do nothing about the terror attack ripcord Oct 2023 #56

I do understand their anguish. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #57

Tell that to Americans trapped in Gaza, whether you give a damn about Palestinian civilans or not hlthe2b Oct 2023 #66

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2023 #58

Truth. Rec. nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #62

For American family trapped in Gaza as bombs fall, there's no way out (WAPO) hlthe2b Oct 2023 #64

Agree 100% beaglelover Oct 2023 #65

They gave far more than 24 hours of warning FBaggins Oct 2023 #68

With no way out. Excluding the abductees there are 400-600 known Americans trapped as well hlthe2b Oct 2023 #71

No way out? FBaggins Oct 2023 #74

Not everyone can do that obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #91

I served for a short time - never in combat FBaggins Oct 2023 #92

Borders are closed and Hamas has threatened those trying to heed the warning heading South Gaza. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #97

Hamas has threatened those trying to heed the warning? FBaggins Oct 2023 #103

First, I have repeatedly and you have ZERO reason to claim I am doing anything but blaming Hamas hlthe2b Oct 2023 #104

I think you're incorrectly comingling a debate you had with others and this thread FBaggins Oct 2023 #105

Once the IDF has leveled all of Gaza and removed all the debris, then the problem of LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #79

Someone mentioned the hostages orangecrush Oct 2023 #88

Agreed. If my seven month old baby had been either murdered or taken hostage I would not totodeinhere Oct 2023 #102