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In reply to the discussion: Sure looks like an open air prison to me [View all]sarisataka
(22,261 posts)84. I absolutely agree, it is important to hear both sides
The Land of Palestine
2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.
The Zionist project
14. The Zionist project is a racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist project based on seizing the properties of others; it is hostile to the Palestinian people and to their aspiration for freedom, liberation, return and self-determination. The Israeli entity is the plaything of the Zionist project and its base of aggression.
15. The Zionist project does not target the Palestinian people alone; it is the enemy of the Arab and Islamic Ummah posing a grave threat to its security and interests. It is also hostile to the Ummahs aspirations for unity, renaissance and liberation and has been the major source of its troubles. The Zionist project also poses a danger to international security and peace and to mankind and its interests and stability.
The position toward Occupation and political solutions
18. The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of Israel is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination.
19. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, judaisation or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse.
20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.
So the best Hamas will offer is, in essence, a truce. The war only ends when Israel is wiped off the face of the earth.
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Before those security measures, suicide bombings were a common occurrence in Israel.
tritsofme
Oct 2023
#2
Cool slogan, I guess? But it wasn't tables that stopped the suicide bombing campaign.
tritsofme
Oct 2023
#20
Obfuscate however you wish. The security barrier in the West Bank and enhanced security measures
tritsofme
Oct 2023
#29
Hamas, along with others, have declared that the death of all Jews is the answer.
yagotme
Oct 2023
#45
Peace isn't a solution. It's a aspiration. You call it a prison, but offer no alternative other than
Doodley
Oct 2023
#160
What exactly is the logic here? That if Palestinian terrorists were able to kill more Jews
tritsofme
Oct 2023
#46
The photo in the OP is dated March 27, 2015. The Palestine Marathon was held in Bethlehem that day.
lapucelle
Oct 2023
#184
I've seen people blame the US for both the Hamas attack & the Russian invasion.
oldsoftie
Oct 2023
#68
Trump says the same thing about the wall he wants on the Mexico border.
Cuthbert Allgood
Oct 2023
#87
So there are things that the world and Israel could do to decrease that support.
Cuthbert Allgood
Oct 2023
#151
So if Mexico's government said it wanted to destroy America, and it kept bombing America and
Doodley
Oct 2023
#161
"When their own politicians are royally screwing them over, possibly lying to them."
yagotme
Oct 2023
#173
If you don't see how you switched from talking about Hamas to talking about Palestinians
Cuthbert Allgood
Oct 2023
#174
So in order to stop a very small minority of people from doing something
Cuthbert Allgood
Oct 2023
#153
What do you think the percentage of the population of Palestine is who are terrorists?
Cuthbert Allgood
Oct 2023
#163
"supporting it" makes that number problematic, but let's go with that.
Cuthbert Allgood
Oct 2023
#165
How is Israel forcing Palestinians to live in squalor with no hope for the future for their children
Doodley
Oct 2023
#31
I don't think anyone could consider Gaza a country club. And in the West Bank, the Israeli settlers
Lonestarblue
Oct 2023
#35
Israel doesn't prevent the flow of people to or from Egypt or the Mediteranean.
Doodley
Oct 2023
#32
Egypt must give permission for Palestinians to go there. They do not want thousands of
Lonestarblue
Oct 2023
#36
If you were an Israeli, perhaps you know somebody murdered by the attacks by Hamas,
Doodley
Oct 2023
#51
Hamas is a terrorist organization whose stated aims have included destroying Israel.
Doodley
Oct 2023
#75
Peace isn't an answer. It isn't a strategy. It isn't a solution. It is a desire, an objective.
Doodley
Oct 2023
#99
a building in which people are legally held as a punishment for a crime they have committed or while
GuppyGal
Oct 2023
#156
Really? Is that why Americans are stuck and cannot get through there? Yes, it is a prison and
onecaliberal
Oct 2023
#43
Americans are stuck there because there's a war. And it's Israel's fault that they can't go
Doodley
Oct 2023
#48
Yes, they are waiting at the border there. I saw with my own eyes last night on MSNBC with their
onecaliberal
Oct 2023
#66
You'd think those 30 doctor's (sic) would have a better way to help out the Gazans
AZSkiffyGeek
Oct 2023
#33
If Mexico was led by a terrorist group who wanted to destroy America, and they regularly sent
Doodley
Oct 2023
#79
And? Are you saying you'd want the wall to come down if you lived in Israel? Be honest, if
Doodley
Oct 2023
#86
No, I would like a humanitarian solution for nonviolent non-Hamas Palestinian people to live life
IronLionZion
Oct 2023
#89
He picked a photo of the West Bank dated March 27, 2015. That was the day of the Palestine Marathon,
lapucelle
Oct 2023
#185
Abbas, the "president" in year 18 of his 4 year term, has cancelled elections several times
tritsofme
Oct 2023
#120
They've been treated unfairly? MLK Jr. would approve of their tactics I guess. Being treated
GuppyGal
Oct 2023
#157