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91. Yes but no

Tue Oct 17, 2023, 11:00 AM

Oct 2023

What I believe needs to happen is peace.
I also believe the UN needs to go into Gaza & hold free & fair elections. The last election held in Gaza was in 2006.

It's important though that we recognize this conflict is far larger than simply Gaza. All of Palestine should have elections.

We need real solutions that will end this conflict once & for all . I think we can all agree on that. At least I hope so

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Sure looks like an open air prison to me [View all] AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 OP

You mean the Hands of the Hamas Government who rules the Palestinian people jimfields33 Oct 2023 #1

Hamas does not control the West Bank AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #3

Wasn't there a marathon in Bethlehem City on March 27, 2015? lapucelle Oct 2023 #181

Before those security measures, suicide bombings were a common occurrence in Israel. tritsofme Oct 2023 #2

The walls were built in 1994 AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #4

The first segment of the Israeli West Bank barrier was completed in 2003 tritsofme Oct 2023 #6

2000 in West Bank AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #7

Of course barriers can work. tritsofme Oct 2023 #11

Build more tables not walls AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #17

Cool slogan, I guess? But it wasn't tables that stopped the suicide bombing campaign. tritsofme Oct 2023 #20

It also wasn't tables that caused Israeli snipers AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #22

Obfuscate however you wish. The security barrier in the West Bank and enhanced security measures tritsofme Oct 2023 #29

That's reactionary logic AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #38

Hamas, along with others, have declared that the death of all Jews is the answer. yagotme Oct 2023 #45

My solution is peace AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #97

You keep saying the word "peace". yagotme Oct 2023 #102

Bus bombings. Remember those? Take a ride with a suicide bomber. Peace, peace. Hekate Oct 2023 #134

Peace is a goal, not a means. Torchlight Oct 2023 #154

Peace isn't a solution. It's a aspiration. You call it a prison, but offer no alternative other than Doodley Oct 2023 #160

Tell that to the Fucking Butchers of HAMAS. Cha Oct 2023 #176

What exactly is the logic here? That if Palestinian terrorists were able to kill more Jews tritsofme Oct 2023 #46

Its not "reactionary" logic former9thward Oct 2023 #50

It's reactionary logic AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #100

7 1/2 decades? yagotme Oct 2023 #104

Like they wouldnt put a bomb under those tables. Please. oldsoftie Oct 2023 #67

And what happened to the Berlin wall? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #105

"It's time it's solved & ended" Polybius Oct 2023 #198

They work really well at... 2naSalit Oct 2023 #53

Apparently pretty good at stopping suicide bombings. tritsofme Oct 2023 #56

Are you really sure about that? 2naSalit Oct 2023 #57

And some are surely happy about that. tritsofme Oct 2023 #59

Completely subjective. 2naSalit Oct 2023 #72

Subjective, I suppose only if more dead Jews over the past 20 years tritsofme Oct 2023 #88

I don't think anybody is happy about the Hamas attacks AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #76

Some people think they were involved in Abu Ghraib AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #77

The photo in the OP is dated March 27, 2015. The Palestine Marathon was held in Bethlehem that day. lapucelle Oct 2023 #184

A lot of protestors worldwide would disagree with you. nt yagotme Oct 2023 #78

K&R redqueen Oct 2023 #5

Your eyes do not justaprogressive Oct 2023 #8

It's probably just a matter of time AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #9

Don't understand that the US and Israel aren't the same country? AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #10

Personal attacks? Really? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #19

Can you point out where Israel is mentioned on that screengrab? AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #30

I never said they did AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #52

Still doesn't explain why you think America would have any authority AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #64

Moving goalposts again Hekate Oct 2023 #140

That's THIS discussion Dorian Gray Oct 2023 #152

+++ JohnSJ Oct 2023 #74

Pointing out your (or anyone else's) obvious errors is not a personal attack Hekate Oct 2023 #139

No.. the posterr is just Giving the FACTS. And, Cha Oct 2023 #177

Wasn't there a marathon in Bethlehem City on March 27, 2015? lapucelle Oct 2023 #182

I've seen people blame the US for both the Hamas attack & the Russian invasion. oldsoftie Oct 2023 #68

THANK YOU!! Muslims Still Working at MSNBC!!! Cha Oct 2023 #178

Sheldon Adelson had me confused for a while. carpetbagger Oct 2023 #187

Looks like a wall to keep out war criminal terrorists. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #12

Trump says the same thing about the wall he wants on the Mexico border. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #87

The Palestinians actually have a record for committing Tomconroy Oct 2023 #96

You mean Hamas? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #103

They don't wear uniforms, nor rank insignia. yagotme Oct 2023 #108

Neither do Mexican drug lords. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #130

Yes. Same reason as Israel, we need to know who's crossing. yagotme Oct 2023 #135

There have been innumerable Palestinian terrorist Tomconroy Oct 2023 #110

"All"? My stats background tells me that's a bold statement. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #132

You're in public, giving an interview about your government's policies. yagotme Oct 2023 #137

So, you agree that "all" Palestinians don't support Hamas, then? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #144

Yes, of course. Never said anything otherwise. yagotme Oct 2023 #146

So there are things that the world and Israel could do to decrease that support. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #151

So if Mexico's government said it wanted to destroy America, and it kept bombing America and Doodley Oct 2023 #161

Yes. Being nice to Hamas isn't one of those things, either. yagotme Oct 2023 #164

I have never said we should be nice to Hamas. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #166

But there are those that think we should be nice to them. yagotme Oct 2023 #168

OK, so I see something problematic with your post. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #169

"When their own politicians are royally screwing them over, possibly lying to them." yagotme Oct 2023 #173

If you don't see how you switched from talking about Hamas to talking about Palestinians Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #174

Sorry, you're going to have to point that out, yagotme Oct 2023 #183

This wall keeps war criminal terrorists OUT. It doesn't Tomconroy Oct 2023 #138

You do realize it keeps your average Palestinian in, right. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #143

Palestinians are free to travel to any country that will take them. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #145

Or, and this may seem crazy to you, Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #155

For argument's sake, let's just say that it does keep them "in". yagotme Oct 2023 #149

So in order to stop a very small minority of people from doing something Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #153

You assume it's a tiny minority. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #158

What do you think the percentage of the population of Palestine is who are terrorists? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #163

Reportedly 40,000 in one spot. yagotme Oct 2023 #167

I think most are happy with the war crimes perpetrated Tomconroy Oct 2023 #175

Do you have any data on that or is it just your opinion? thx in advance uponit7771 Oct 2023 #189

"Walling in..." yagotme Oct 2023 #162

"supporting it" makes that number problematic, but let's go with that. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #165

Have seen same comparisons here re: MAGA and Rethug party, right? yagotme Oct 2023 #170

MAGA has a choice uponit7771 Oct 2023 #190

According to some here, yagotme Oct 2023 #192

Hamas is not the Palestinian people uponit7771 Oct 2023 #188

The poster was making the point that Palestinian militants, yagotme Oct 2023 #196

I'm for humanitarian treatment. McKim Oct 2023 #13

Exactly this AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #15

Agree!!! nt pazzyanne Oct 2023 #21

Leaders of Israel have never treated the Palestinians fairly. Lonestarblue Oct 2023 #14

You're absolutely correct AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #16

Yes. It's been pretty horrific for the Palestinians. Goddessartist Oct 2023 #27

You mean once the Jewish population got the upper hand Historic NY Oct 2023 #28

How is Israel forcing Palestinians to live in squalor with no hope for the future for their children Doodley Oct 2023 #31

I don't think anyone could consider Gaza a country club. And in the West Bank, the Israeli settlers Lonestarblue Oct 2023 #35

How much money was given to Hamas to use for their people? yagotme Oct 2023 #47

Good question. Don't hold your breath, waiting for an answer! Doodley Oct 2023 #55

Oh, someone the other day had the numbers posted. yagotme Oct 2023 #62

Whining inthewind21 Oct 2023 #63

The comment we were responding to was how the Palestinians were yagotme Oct 2023 #82

Hmmm. n/t rzemanfl Oct 2023 #83

Two (or three, or ten, or a hundred) wrongs do not make a right. hay rick Oct 2023 #18

None of it is "right" AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #24

One wall doesn't make a prison. Doodley Oct 2023 #23

Pretty sure that looks like a prison AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #26

Israel doesn't prevent the flow of people to or from Egypt or the Mediteranean. Doodley Oct 2023 #32

Egypt must give permission for Palestinians to go there. They do not want thousands of Lonestarblue Oct 2023 #36

So Egypt is preventing Gazans from leaving AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #37

Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #71

This is absolutely gross AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #80

Yikes. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #90

It's a prison AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #42

If you were an Israeli, perhaps you know somebody murdered by the attacks by Hamas, Doodley Oct 2023 #51

I'd address the root cause to fix the problem for good AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #58

Addressing one actor only solves even less. Torchlight Oct 2023 #61

I believe quite the opposite AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #65

Hamas is a terrorist organization whose stated aims have included destroying Israel. Doodley Oct 2023 #75

Peace is the answer AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #94

Peace isn't an answer. It isn't a strategy. It isn't a solution. It is a desire, an objective. Doodley Oct 2023 #99

Peace is the only answer AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #107

Sometimes one must engage in war/violence to attain peace. yagotme Oct 2023 #113

I can't speak to hypotheticals AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #121

So, I ask: yagotme Oct 2023 #123

Peace is the answer is a slogan not a working solution EX500rider Oct 2023 #119

I absolutely agree, it is important to hear both sides sarisataka Oct 2023 #84

+1 Mosby Oct 2023 #118

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2023 #191

a building in which people are legally held as a punishment for a crime they have committed or while GuppyGal Oct 2023 #156

Really? Is that why Americans are stuck and cannot get through there? Yes, it is a prison and onecaliberal Oct 2023 #43

Americans are stuck there because there's a war. And it's Israel's fault that they can't go Doodley Oct 2023 #48

Yes, they are waiting at the border there. I saw with my own eyes last night on MSNBC with their onecaliberal Oct 2023 #66

Yes when Israel is bombing the escape route AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #69

It does prohibit the flow of people to or from the Mediterranean muriel_volestrangler Oct 2023 #114

So there's a wall on the Jordan side too? oldsoftie Oct 2023 #70

I looked. Tried to look. yagotme Oct 2023 #125

The Palestine Marathon was held in Bethlehem on March 27, 2015. lapucelle Oct 2023 #186

I am so shocked edhopper Oct 2023 #25

You'd think those 30 doctor's (sic) would have a better way to help out the Gazans AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #33

More like anti Netanyahu post womanofthehills Oct 2023 #142

I agree edhopper Oct 2023 #148

That wall is like 100 times more badass than Trump's wall IronLionZion Oct 2023 #34

thats becasue hat wall is in the west bank and hamas is in gaza moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #44

Gaza has a serious wall too. IronLionZion Oct 2023 #49

If Mexico was led by a terrorist group who wanted to destroy America, and they regularly sent Doodley Oct 2023 #79

Hamas got through the Gaza wall IronLionZion Oct 2023 #81

And? Are you saying you'd want the wall to come down if you lived in Israel? Be honest, if Doodley Oct 2023 #86

No, I would like a humanitarian solution for nonviolent non-Hamas Palestinian people to live life IronLionZion Oct 2023 #89

Israel has been doing that for long time. Doodley Oct 2023 #92

The spots they hit weren't that "heavily fortified". yagotme Oct 2023 #93

It was easy for Hamas to get through ( in 15 places no less) womanofthehills Oct 2023 #147

K&R. TeamProg Oct 2023 #39

It is much worse now. Bombed out buildings scatter the landscape. onecaliberal Oct 2023 #40

Nope. That picture isn't from Gaza Arazi Oct 2023 #106

Once upon a time, there was a UN. jaxexpat Oct 2023 #41

I don't have a solution but I fear there will never be one. twodogsbarking Oct 2023 #54

Since you picked a photo of the West Bank... brooklynite Oct 2023 #60

It's an open air prison AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #85

Is there some reason West Bank residents can't freely travel to Jordan? brooklynite Oct 2023 #95

Borders often have barricades of some sort Zeitghost Oct 2023 #111

He picked a photo of the West Bank dated March 27, 2015. That was the day of the Palestine Marathon, lapucelle Oct 2023 #185

Is it your assertion that... brooklynite Oct 2023 #73

Yes but no AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #91

And if Hamas doesn't want to hold elections? brooklynite Oct 2023 #98

That's why I said the UN AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #109

Name a country when the UN rolled in and deposed the existing Government. brooklynite Oct 2023 #115

The U.N. doesn't have any forces to deal with Hamas to force an election ripcord Oct 2023 #116

What if Hamas likes the way things are, and doesn't let the UN in... yagotme Oct 2023 #117

Looks like the consensus on DU is there's no alternative redqueen Oct 2023 #124

The alternative is for both sides to stop attacking each other. yagotme Oct 2023 #127

There's plenty that can be done redqueen Oct 2023 #129

So, what is Hamas going to be "forced" to do? yagotme Oct 2023 #131

No longer exist, isn't that the plan? redqueen Oct 2023 #133

Why is the border restriction there? Why is Israel bombing/attacking Gaza? yagotme Oct 2023 #136

Ok. BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #128

Agree - the people of Israel want Netanyahu out womanofthehills Oct 2023 #150

Who here has expressed support for Netanyahu? nt AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #179

The biggest reason they have resisted new elections tritsofme Oct 2023 #101

According to who? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #112

Abbas, the "president" in year 18 of his 4 year term, has cancelled elections several times tritsofme Oct 2023 #120

Democracy is important AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #122

Liberal democracy is important. tritsofme Oct 2023 #126

Where did that number come from? AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #141

They've been treated unfairly? MLK Jr. would approve of their tactics I guess. Being treated GuppyGal Oct 2023 #157

How did you reach the conclusion MLK would be ok AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #193

Sorry I was being sarcastic LOL nt GuppyGal Oct 2023 #197

Ohhhh ok gotcha AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #199

I think this is to protect from suicide bombers Bluesaph Oct 2023 #159

I am so shocked johannsyah Oct 2023 #171

I'm really not a fan AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #180

It's about humanity AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #194

Physical apartheid yes... prison- no sorry JCMach1 Oct 2023 #172

I know a plenty AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #195