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121. I can't speak to hypotheticals

Reply to yagotme (Reply #113)

Tue Oct 17, 2023, 11:43 AM

Oct 2023

That situation also is very different.
There's no 75 years of ongoing conflict which lead up to that attack.

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Sure looks like an open air prison to me [View all] AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 OP

You mean the Hands of the Hamas Government who rules the Palestinian people jimfields33 Oct 2023 #1

Hamas does not control the West Bank AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #3

Wasn't there a marathon in Bethlehem City on March 27, 2015? lapucelle Oct 2023 #181

Before those security measures, suicide bombings were a common occurrence in Israel. tritsofme Oct 2023 #2

The walls were built in 1994 AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #4

The first segment of the Israeli West Bank barrier was completed in 2003 tritsofme Oct 2023 #6

2000 in West Bank AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #7

Of course barriers can work. tritsofme Oct 2023 #11

Build more tables not walls AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #17

Cool slogan, I guess? But it wasn't tables that stopped the suicide bombing campaign. tritsofme Oct 2023 #20

It also wasn't tables that caused Israeli snipers AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #22

Obfuscate however you wish. The security barrier in the West Bank and enhanced security measures tritsofme Oct 2023 #29

That's reactionary logic AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #38

Hamas, along with others, have declared that the death of all Jews is the answer. yagotme Oct 2023 #45

My solution is peace AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #97

You keep saying the word "peace". yagotme Oct 2023 #102

Bus bombings. Remember those? Take a ride with a suicide bomber. Peace, peace. Hekate Oct 2023 #134

Peace is a goal, not a means. Torchlight Oct 2023 #154

Peace isn't a solution. It's a aspiration. You call it a prison, but offer no alternative other than Doodley Oct 2023 #160

Tell that to the Fucking Butchers of HAMAS. Cha Oct 2023 #176

What exactly is the logic here? That if Palestinian terrorists were able to kill more Jews tritsofme Oct 2023 #46

Its not "reactionary" logic former9thward Oct 2023 #50

It's reactionary logic AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #100

7 1/2 decades? yagotme Oct 2023 #104

Like they wouldnt put a bomb under those tables. Please. oldsoftie Oct 2023 #67

And what happened to the Berlin wall? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #105

"It's time it's solved & ended" Polybius Oct 2023 #198

They work really well at... 2naSalit Oct 2023 #53

Apparently pretty good at stopping suicide bombings. tritsofme Oct 2023 #56

Are you really sure about that? 2naSalit Oct 2023 #57

And some are surely happy about that. tritsofme Oct 2023 #59

Completely subjective. 2naSalit Oct 2023 #72

Subjective, I suppose only if more dead Jews over the past 20 years tritsofme Oct 2023 #88

I don't think anybody is happy about the Hamas attacks AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #76

Some people think they were involved in Abu Ghraib AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #77

The photo in the OP is dated March 27, 2015. The Palestine Marathon was held in Bethlehem that day. lapucelle Oct 2023 #184

A lot of protestors worldwide would disagree with you. nt yagotme Oct 2023 #78

K&R redqueen Oct 2023 #5

Your eyes do not justaprogressive Oct 2023 #8

It's probably just a matter of time AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #9

Don't understand that the US and Israel aren't the same country? AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #10

Personal attacks? Really? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #19

Can you point out where Israel is mentioned on that screengrab? AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #30

I never said they did AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #52

Still doesn't explain why you think America would have any authority AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #64

Moving goalposts again Hekate Oct 2023 #140

That's THIS discussion Dorian Gray Oct 2023 #152

+++ JohnSJ Oct 2023 #74

Pointing out your (or anyone else's) obvious errors is not a personal attack Hekate Oct 2023 #139

No.. the posterr is just Giving the FACTS. And, Cha Oct 2023 #177

Wasn't there a marathon in Bethlehem City on March 27, 2015? lapucelle Oct 2023 #182

I've seen people blame the US for both the Hamas attack & the Russian invasion. oldsoftie Oct 2023 #68

THANK YOU!! Muslims Still Working at MSNBC!!! Cha Oct 2023 #178

Sheldon Adelson had me confused for a while. carpetbagger Oct 2023 #187

Looks like a wall to keep out war criminal terrorists. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #12

Trump says the same thing about the wall he wants on the Mexico border. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #87

The Palestinians actually have a record for committing Tomconroy Oct 2023 #96

You mean Hamas? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #103

They don't wear uniforms, nor rank insignia. yagotme Oct 2023 #108

Neither do Mexican drug lords. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #130

Yes. Same reason as Israel, we need to know who's crossing. yagotme Oct 2023 #135

There have been innumerable Palestinian terrorist Tomconroy Oct 2023 #110

"All"? My stats background tells me that's a bold statement. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #132

You're in public, giving an interview about your government's policies. yagotme Oct 2023 #137

So, you agree that "all" Palestinians don't support Hamas, then? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #144

Yes, of course. Never said anything otherwise. yagotme Oct 2023 #146

So there are things that the world and Israel could do to decrease that support. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #151

So if Mexico's government said it wanted to destroy America, and it kept bombing America and Doodley Oct 2023 #161

Yes. Being nice to Hamas isn't one of those things, either. yagotme Oct 2023 #164

I have never said we should be nice to Hamas. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #166

But there are those that think we should be nice to them. yagotme Oct 2023 #168

OK, so I see something problematic with your post. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #169

"When their own politicians are royally screwing them over, possibly lying to them." yagotme Oct 2023 #173

If you don't see how you switched from talking about Hamas to talking about Palestinians Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #174

Sorry, you're going to have to point that out, yagotme Oct 2023 #183

This wall keeps war criminal terrorists OUT. It doesn't Tomconroy Oct 2023 #138

You do realize it keeps your average Palestinian in, right. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #143

Palestinians are free to travel to any country that will take them. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #145

Or, and this may seem crazy to you, Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #155

For argument's sake, let's just say that it does keep them "in". yagotme Oct 2023 #149

So in order to stop a very small minority of people from doing something Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #153

You assume it's a tiny minority. Tomconroy Oct 2023 #158

What do you think the percentage of the population of Palestine is who are terrorists? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #163

Reportedly 40,000 in one spot. yagotme Oct 2023 #167

I think most are happy with the war crimes perpetrated Tomconroy Oct 2023 #175

Do you have any data on that or is it just your opinion? thx in advance uponit7771 Oct 2023 #189

"Walling in..." yagotme Oct 2023 #162

"supporting it" makes that number problematic, but let's go with that. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #165

Have seen same comparisons here re: MAGA and Rethug party, right? yagotme Oct 2023 #170

MAGA has a choice uponit7771 Oct 2023 #190

According to some here, yagotme Oct 2023 #192

Hamas is not the Palestinian people uponit7771 Oct 2023 #188

The poster was making the point that Palestinian militants, yagotme Oct 2023 #196

I'm for humanitarian treatment. McKim Oct 2023 #13

Exactly this AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #15

Agree!!! nt pazzyanne Oct 2023 #21

Leaders of Israel have never treated the Palestinians fairly. Lonestarblue Oct 2023 #14

You're absolutely correct AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #16

Yes. It's been pretty horrific for the Palestinians. Goddessartist Oct 2023 #27

You mean once the Jewish population got the upper hand Historic NY Oct 2023 #28

How is Israel forcing Palestinians to live in squalor with no hope for the future for their children Doodley Oct 2023 #31

I don't think anyone could consider Gaza a country club. And in the West Bank, the Israeli settlers Lonestarblue Oct 2023 #35

How much money was given to Hamas to use for their people? yagotme Oct 2023 #47

Good question. Don't hold your breath, waiting for an answer! Doodley Oct 2023 #55

Oh, someone the other day had the numbers posted. yagotme Oct 2023 #62

Whining inthewind21 Oct 2023 #63

The comment we were responding to was how the Palestinians were yagotme Oct 2023 #82

Hmmm. n/t rzemanfl Oct 2023 #83

Two (or three, or ten, or a hundred) wrongs do not make a right. hay rick Oct 2023 #18

None of it is "right" AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #24

One wall doesn't make a prison. Doodley Oct 2023 #23

Pretty sure that looks like a prison AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #26

Israel doesn't prevent the flow of people to or from Egypt or the Mediteranean. Doodley Oct 2023 #32

Egypt must give permission for Palestinians to go there. They do not want thousands of Lonestarblue Oct 2023 #36

So Egypt is preventing Gazans from leaving AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #37

Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #71

This is absolutely gross AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #80

Yikes. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #90

It's a prison AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #42

If you were an Israeli, perhaps you know somebody murdered by the attacks by Hamas, Doodley Oct 2023 #51

I'd address the root cause to fix the problem for good AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #58

Addressing one actor only solves even less. Torchlight Oct 2023 #61

I believe quite the opposite AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #65

Hamas is a terrorist organization whose stated aims have included destroying Israel. Doodley Oct 2023 #75

Peace is the answer AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #94

Peace isn't an answer. It isn't a strategy. It isn't a solution. It is a desire, an objective. Doodley Oct 2023 #99

Peace is the only answer AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #107

Sometimes one must engage in war/violence to attain peace. yagotme Oct 2023 #113

I can't speak to hypotheticals AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #121

So, I ask: yagotme Oct 2023 #123

Peace is the answer is a slogan not a working solution EX500rider Oct 2023 #119

I absolutely agree, it is important to hear both sides sarisataka Oct 2023 #84

+1 Mosby Oct 2023 #118

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2023 #191

a building in which people are legally held as a punishment for a crime they have committed or while GuppyGal Oct 2023 #156

Really? Is that why Americans are stuck and cannot get through there? Yes, it is a prison and onecaliberal Oct 2023 #43

Americans are stuck there because there's a war. And it's Israel's fault that they can't go Doodley Oct 2023 #48

Yes, they are waiting at the border there. I saw with my own eyes last night on MSNBC with their onecaliberal Oct 2023 #66

Yes when Israel is bombing the escape route AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #69

It does prohibit the flow of people to or from the Mediterranean muriel_volestrangler Oct 2023 #114

So there's a wall on the Jordan side too? oldsoftie Oct 2023 #70

I looked. Tried to look. yagotme Oct 2023 #125

The Palestine Marathon was held in Bethlehem on March 27, 2015. lapucelle Oct 2023 #186

I am so shocked edhopper Oct 2023 #25

You'd think those 30 doctor's (sic) would have a better way to help out the Gazans AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #33

More like anti Netanyahu post womanofthehills Oct 2023 #142

I agree edhopper Oct 2023 #148

That wall is like 100 times more badass than Trump's wall IronLionZion Oct 2023 #34

thats becasue hat wall is in the west bank and hamas is in gaza moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #44

Gaza has a serious wall too. IronLionZion Oct 2023 #49

If Mexico was led by a terrorist group who wanted to destroy America, and they regularly sent Doodley Oct 2023 #79

Hamas got through the Gaza wall IronLionZion Oct 2023 #81

And? Are you saying you'd want the wall to come down if you lived in Israel? Be honest, if Doodley Oct 2023 #86

No, I would like a humanitarian solution for nonviolent non-Hamas Palestinian people to live life IronLionZion Oct 2023 #89

Israel has been doing that for long time. Doodley Oct 2023 #92

The spots they hit weren't that "heavily fortified". yagotme Oct 2023 #93

It was easy for Hamas to get through ( in 15 places no less) womanofthehills Oct 2023 #147

K&R. TeamProg Oct 2023 #39

It is much worse now. Bombed out buildings scatter the landscape. onecaliberal Oct 2023 #40

Nope. That picture isn't from Gaza Arazi Oct 2023 #106

Once upon a time, there was a UN. jaxexpat Oct 2023 #41

I don't have a solution but I fear there will never be one. twodogsbarking Oct 2023 #54

Since you picked a photo of the West Bank... brooklynite Oct 2023 #60

It's an open air prison AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #85

Is there some reason West Bank residents can't freely travel to Jordan? brooklynite Oct 2023 #95

Borders often have barricades of some sort Zeitghost Oct 2023 #111

He picked a photo of the West Bank dated March 27, 2015. That was the day of the Palestine Marathon, lapucelle Oct 2023 #185

Is it your assertion that... brooklynite Oct 2023 #73

Yes but no AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #91

And if Hamas doesn't want to hold elections? brooklynite Oct 2023 #98

That's why I said the UN AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #109

Name a country when the UN rolled in and deposed the existing Government. brooklynite Oct 2023 #115

The U.N. doesn't have any forces to deal with Hamas to force an election ripcord Oct 2023 #116

What if Hamas likes the way things are, and doesn't let the UN in... yagotme Oct 2023 #117

Looks like the consensus on DU is there's no alternative redqueen Oct 2023 #124

The alternative is for both sides to stop attacking each other. yagotme Oct 2023 #127

There's plenty that can be done redqueen Oct 2023 #129

So, what is Hamas going to be "forced" to do? yagotme Oct 2023 #131

No longer exist, isn't that the plan? redqueen Oct 2023 #133

Why is the border restriction there? Why is Israel bombing/attacking Gaza? yagotme Oct 2023 #136

Ok. BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #128

Agree - the people of Israel want Netanyahu out womanofthehills Oct 2023 #150

Who here has expressed support for Netanyahu? nt AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #179

The biggest reason they have resisted new elections tritsofme Oct 2023 #101

According to who? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #112

Abbas, the "president" in year 18 of his 4 year term, has cancelled elections several times tritsofme Oct 2023 #120

Democracy is important AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #122

Liberal democracy is important. tritsofme Oct 2023 #126

Where did that number come from? AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #141

They've been treated unfairly? MLK Jr. would approve of their tactics I guess. Being treated GuppyGal Oct 2023 #157

How did you reach the conclusion MLK would be ok AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #193

Sorry I was being sarcastic LOL nt GuppyGal Oct 2023 #197

Ohhhh ok gotcha AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #199

I think this is to protect from suicide bombers Bluesaph Oct 2023 #159

I am so shocked johannsyah Oct 2023 #171

I'm really not a fan AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #180

It's about humanity AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #194

Physical apartheid yes... prison- no sorry JCMach1 Oct 2023 #172

I know a plenty AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #195