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Happy Hoosier

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70. Nope. But that's based on actual evidence.

Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:16 AM

Oct 2023

And when actual evidence is presented, I incorporate that into my decision making.

But I do not consider these equivalent.

Hamas planned and executed a horrific raid DELIBERATELY targeting the murder and kidnapping of civilians. They killed over 1000 people that morning. Deliberately.

Forgive me for thinking they are the less trustworthy of this pairing.

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Who reflexively believes HAMAS? [View all] boston bean Oct 2023 OP

Members of the squad AkFemDem Oct 2023 #1

All of them? Evidence? nt redqueen Oct 2023 #67

I am seeing correction in the media this morning... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #2

It is outrageous. boston bean Oct 2023 #4

Looking at the visuals, IF there were 50 people in each ... JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2023 #68

NPR this morning Johnny2X2X Oct 2023 #29

Shameful. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #31

Unless there are other dmage from that parking lot Johnny2X2X Oct 2023 #37

Yeah Richard58 Oct 2023 #63

Nope. But that's based on actual evidence. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #70

Plus Biden states our own defense department has confirmed it did not boston bean Oct 2023 #81

"Based on what I've seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you" Kennah Oct 2023 #96

You are late with your news. Our defense dept has confirmed with our own intelligence. boston bean Oct 2023 #111

Link? MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #132

Not your link lackey. It's posted right here on DU. boston bean Oct 2023 #140

I am not buying HAMAS propaganda Kennah Oct 2023 #147

Link? MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #131

Not your link lackey. It's posted right here on DU. boston bean Oct 2023 #141

I agree. Hamas will exaggerate & lie to inflame hatred of Israel. CaptainTruth Oct 2023 #101

I think part of the problem is that, liberalhistorian Oct 2023 #106

"My advice to myself and others is to hold your opinion until the facts are out." walkingman Oct 2023 #3

The facts are out there. People get to decide what they mean I guess regardless. boston bean Oct 2023 #6

The facts aren't 'there'. Voltaire2 Oct 2023 #80

Biden has confirmed it was not Israel per our defense dept. boston bean Oct 2023 #83

Link? MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #135

I am not a link lackey. It is common knowledge. You can find it if you look. boston bean Oct 2023 #137

I know a lot of you don't like the program, but BonnieJW Oct 2023 #33

Not sure videos are of ACTUAL rocket unc70 Oct 2023 #56

There's one video I saw last night I believe to be of the incident. CaptainTruth Oct 2023 #86

That is what I saw last night as well. But was holding off boston bean Oct 2023 #87

The timeline of that video seems correct, as well. CaptainTruth Oct 2023 #108

Not unreasonable.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #76

They obviously were launching rocket attacks towards Israel from a boston bean Oct 2023 #119

Many on this site. nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #5

Ah yeah. I am trying to be gracious. boston bean Oct 2023 #9

I don't believe anything AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #7

Same here claudette Oct 2023 #12

Same. onecaliberal Oct 2023 #27

What independent third party? radical noodle Oct 2023 #74

United Nations monitors I'm good with AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #75

Thanks! n/t radical noodle Oct 2023 #89

You're welcome 😁 AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #99

By the time the UN could inspect the site... EX500rider Oct 2023 #148

Agreed, I wait for the UN. haele Oct 2023 #118

The satellite photos if not already given to the media.......................... Lovie777 Oct 2023 #8

Our "mainstream media" is made up of: harumph Oct 2023 #10

No one I know claudette Oct 2023 #11

Were you off DU and the news last night? boston bean Oct 2023 #14

Have you seen this? claudette Oct 2023 #20

Last night news. boston bean Oct 2023 #21

Who put it claudette Oct 2023 #22

Put what out wher boston bean Oct 2023 #23

"Who" is Israel. "It" is video/analysis of bombing of hospital in Gaza. "Out there" is a release to AnotherMother4Peace Oct 2023 #60

Ask yourself ForgedCrank Oct 2023 #105

It's really claudette Oct 2023 #109

Why wouldn't ForgedCrank Oct 2023 #114

Exactly claudette Oct 2023 #116

+1 MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #134

They didn't do it on purpose, as far as I can see. It was an accident by a faulty rocket Bev54 Oct 2023 #154

It's still being said this morning mcar Oct 2023 #98

Believes Anything Hamas Says ? musclecar6 Oct 2023 #13

Many it would seem. boston bean Oct 2023 #15

yeah, you'd think.. I'm seeing it as I've scrolled down Cha Oct 2023 #146

Nazis and Jew-haters. Hellbound Hellhound Oct 2023 #16

soooooo you think nutty yahoo is honest?????????? trump wants you on his fundraising list dembotoz Oct 2023 #17

I have no love for authoritarians. However, I do like and believe facts. boston bean Oct 2023 #18

nutty yahoo face reckoning????? dembotoz Oct 2023 #102

Uh yeah. He will. boston bean Oct 2023 #124

He absolutely will Mossfern Oct 2023 #130

HAMAS lost all credibility when they launched the terrorist attack Buckeyeblue Oct 2023 #19

I don't think they had credibility to begin with AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #49

College liberals elias7 Oct 2023 #24

Don't confuse.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #26

Self determination Johnny2X2X Oct 2023 #35

Clearly, Hamas has to go. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #65

Agree Johnny2X2X Oct 2023 #73

Sounds like a common problem SpankMe Oct 2023 #113

NIcely stated Johnny2X2X Oct 2023 #125

And amazingly none of those other Arab nations AkFemDem Oct 2023 #30

That's what I learned was the whole problem from the start elias7 Oct 2023 #145

Actually, it might be good to go back to the history books Big Blue Marble Oct 2023 #150

What are "their causes"? N/T Big Blue Marble Oct 2023 #149

"I don't think younger folks have the same appreciation of history as I do" Act_of_Reparation Oct 2023 #100

Yes, I suppose it is elias7 Oct 2023 #143

I don't reflexively believe anyone about anything at wartime, especially in the ME ms liberty Oct 2023 #25

Thank you. Yes, this story came to mind for me as well. Worth bearing in mind, for sure. TheRickles Oct 2023 #41

I'm sick of the age old conflict itself. roamer65 Oct 2023 #28

I am with you. I have been protesting war since I was 9 years old. cayugafalls Oct 2023 #39

+1 roamer65 Oct 2023 #40

I'll agree to that for sure. RocRizzo55 Oct 2023 #43

The facts are out, rocorizzo. boston bean Oct 2023 #48

OK then RocRizzo55 Oct 2023 #59

That is a cop out. boston bean Oct 2023 #61

No, it is not. RocRizzo55 Oct 2023 #66

Ok, so you think president Biden is a liar. I don't. boston bean Oct 2023 #78

You don't listen, do you? RocRizzo55 Oct 2023 #104

I listen quite clearly. boston bean Oct 2023 #112

No you are trolling. RocRizzo55 Oct 2023 #128

He is capable of being mis-informed. Big Blue Marble Oct 2023 #151

And Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. crim son Oct 2023 #71

That was neocons and bush. President Biden has confirmed our own defense dept boston bean Oct 2023 #79

Exactly. And saw preteens interviewed from both sides and they Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2023 #54

Same, they're not even trying any humanitarian peaceful options IronLionZion Oct 2023 #55

As late as this morning, I saw tv news still reporting 500 casualties. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2023 #32

The first casualty in war is the truth. Ray Bruns Oct 2023 #34

An expert's view Nasruddin Oct 2023 #93

I am shocked anyone on this site or in the media pinkstarburst Oct 2023 #36

NO Way do I believe Hamas! 👎 nt Raine Oct 2023 #38

It could easily have been the other group there, Islamic Jihad IronLionZion Oct 2023 #42

HAMAS has been caught red handed as to be involved on signint. boston bean Oct 2023 #45

Do you have a source for that? IronLionZion Oct 2023 #47

It's out there. I am not obligated to find it for you. boston bean Oct 2023 #52

Malcolm Nance NickB79 Oct 2023 #85

Your link explicitly accuses Islamic Jihad IronLionZion Oct 2023 #88

The sigint was between two Hamas terrorists. boston bean Oct 2023 #90

I want the truth IronLionZion Oct 2023 #94

You have it. You just can't admit it. boston bean Oct 2023 #110

It exonerates the IDF NickB79 Oct 2023 #97

Agreed, and Israel Defense Forces officially accuses Islamic Jihad IronLionZion Oct 2023 #126

Look around you nt sarisataka Oct 2023 #44

I do. boston bean Oct 2023 #46

. sarisataka Oct 2023 #50

A good post earlier on DU has Malcolm Nance analyzing intercepted Hamas sigint. TheRickles Oct 2023 #51

Glad you are here. sellitman Oct 2023 #53

Absolutely. I heard speculation this morning that it was a failed Islamic Jihad rocket. PatrickforB Oct 2023 #57

Indeed Patton French Oct 2023 #58

Iran regime is Hamas and Hezbollah daddy! mymomwasright Oct 2023 #62

That's true but Richard58 Oct 2023 #64

+1 2naSalit Oct 2023 #69

Do you believe Biden. Or is he not to be trusted either? boston bean Oct 2023 #82

Biden confirmed the beheaded babies story just last week. Duncan Grant Oct 2023 #115

Good. The babies heads were blown off. Not cut off with a machete. boston bean Oct 2023 #117

Wow. (nt) Duncan Grant Oct 2023 #121

I know. Wow. It all happened. boston bean Oct 2023 #122

Looks like you're having a hard time. Duncan Grant Oct 2023 #127

Back atcha! boston bean Oct 2023 #139

Another Gaza Hospital Hit by Israeli Strike; Four Dead, 40 Hurt Big Blue Marble Oct 2023 #152

Reputations are fragile Nasruddin Oct 2023 #92

The media plays a huge part in ensuring the hoi polloi stay squabbling nt redqueen Oct 2023 #72

I don't understand why the media can't say... Bluethroughu Oct 2023 #77

They want the outrage engagement redqueen Oct 2023 #133

I think Pres Biden's response was responsible. liberalmuse Oct 2023 #84

OTM user's guide to breaking news Nasruddin Oct 2023 #91

It is disgraceful mcar Oct 2023 #95

The crater is way to small to be from any IDF 500 or 1000lb bomb EX500rider Oct 2023 #103

And too little damage to imply hundreds dead NickB79 Oct 2023 #107

That crater looks like a Chicago pothole after a long winter. Ace Rothstein Oct 2023 #120

Video this morning shows only damage to cars in parking area. CaptainTruth Oct 2023 #123

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2023 #129

Apparently, MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #136

I don't need to prove a fact. You should do your research if you don't believe a fact. boston bean Oct 2023 #138

Replace Hamas with Al Qaeda or ISIS in this context and it does look stupid-- Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #142

Sen Fetterman & Malcom Nance Cha Oct 2023 #144

The reporting I've seen said it was Palestinian Islamic Jihad, not Hamas... RockRaven Oct 2023 #153

I don't believe anyone, bring proof or STFU krawhitham Oct 2023 #155

I don't reflexively believe anyone claiming anything without evidence. IronLionZion Oct 2023 #156

Still trying some way to deflect from the facts, I see. boston bean Oct 2023 #157

Quite the opposite IronLionZion Oct 2023 #158

LOL. boston bean Oct 2023 #159

Exactly IronLionZion Oct 2023 #160

Exactly. boston bean Oct 2023 #161