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summer_in_TX

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71. You seem to have been a secondary special ed teacher.
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 12:47 AM
Oct 2023

You probably didn't see the beginning acquisition of reading, writing, and spelling skills. I'm a retired elementary special ed and dyslexic teacher, where I had plenty of opportunity to observe the beginning development of cursive (and block printing) skills as well as reading and spelling in schools these days.

My students' kinder and first grade teachers had shown them more than one style of writing the letters (standard block print and D'Nealian which supposedly was a bridge to cursive, with a little flip up at the end of letters) and let them choose their own best way. But my students were seriously confused by that and instead just came up with their own way to write their letters. The teachers' training probably never helped them realize that a subset of their students would need very repetitive, prescribed, detailed instruction in order to be able to learn to write legibly. It would have been easy to pick the one best (block printing) and focus on that, but no one explained the problems not having a carefully chosen standard way would cause. (That D'Nealian curl is very problematic to write for dyslexic and slow learners.)

It was common to see the downstroke of a lower case a start at the very top of the letter and then go off into space, a little like a cursive o but the line often didn't touch the circular part of the letter. Almost every letter had anomalies that made their writing very difficult to read – and I had lots of practice and could usually figure it out.

My dyslexia training programs in Austin and the Houston area emphasized teaching students cursive, because cursive letters are hard to flip around and they didn't already have bad habits to unlearn. Dyslexic students typically need around 500 repetitions of a writing or spelling activity to reach mastery. By second grade many had "mastered" the wrong way and it would take another 500 plus to relearn printing the correct way.

Through my training I learned to orient my dyslexic students (and others classified as slow learners) as to a clock face (analog clock) and start cursive letters c, a, d, g, o, q… at about the one o'clock position, and verbally cue them the whole way through, so they would hear and be able eventually to cue themselves. "Start at one o'clock, curve up left over back around, up to one o'clock, straight down, and release."

I might have to say and show it once or twice to a regular learner and they could usually do it, but a dyslexic learner needed to see it, hear it and do it multiple times with my careful supervision so they wouldn't practice it wrong. I was able to do that as a special educator because I had very small groups. The physical feel of pushing and pulling a pencil or pen across paper is part of the building of strong memories for the shape of the letter.

These were students beginning to learn to read and write; they were certainly not ready for typing. Besides dyslexics often cannot distinguish easily between letters like b, d, p, q and n and u. So they wouldn't be able to find the right letter on a keyboard to type. After all, in their experience of the natural world most objects are the same thing even when turned around and upside down. They need explicit instruction to help them make sense of that. Then connecting letters with their sounds (and lots of letters have multiple sounds they can stand for, not to mention letter pairs, and so forth).

Handwriting and especially cursive handwriting are learning tools, powerful ones. They help make cognitive connections (and retain them) between the letter shapes, their sounds, then in combinations in words and sentences. The nerve connections between arm, hand, brain, seeing, saying, touching, etc. are all part of learning at those beginning levels. Helping dyslexics learn to read and write is just more focused and specialized. Once those strong neural connections are made, their brain matter becomes more and more organized, making future learning quicker and easier.

But regular learners use essentially the same process, it's just that they need less things explicitly spelled out, far less repetition, not as specialized techniques. California is wise to bring cursive back.

I find the differences between individuals' brains and how they learn and think really fascinating.

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It's good for development of fine motor skills hardluck Oct 2023 #1
Yes. And while computers are used everywhere, so too (in many settings) are quick hand-written notes hlthe2b Oct 2023 #4
You could just have them learn to read cursive. carpetbagger Oct 2023 #11
Yes. The SCHOOLS could just have them learn to read cursive. Not the employer's responsiblity hlthe2b Oct 2023 #13
The research has indicated that simply looking at writing ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #23
Also: I can't remember the woman's name now ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #24
That's an interesting point about memory retention. dgauss Oct 2023 #56
One of the young librarians at my local branch mentioned to me niyad Oct 2023 #46
If you're right-handed. carpetbagger Oct 2023 #8
I'm left handed and still write in cursive hardluck Oct 2023 #10
My older sister is a left handed person and she has the most beautiful cursive writing kimbutgar Oct 2023 #40
Each of these Presidents were left-handed yet learned to write in cursive (some with non-dominant hand): hlthe2b Oct 2023 #17
True--in the old days ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #33
Do you mean plain ole Bic biro pens? electric_blue68 Oct 2023 #69
Oh, I'm left handed with a "half hook" writing position... electric_blue68 Oct 2023 #67
It's good for way more than that. ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #21
hmm, I took all my class notes in shorthand. niyad Oct 2023 #48
A head-to-head comparison of note-taking by summer_in_TX Oct 2023 #62
I wrote my bar exam by hand, too. Five sets of five essay questions over 2 1/2 days. rsdsharp Oct 2023 #57
When do you ever use it? Peppertoo Oct 2023 #68
This is nutty Peppertoo Oct 2023 #70
Do we really need this? indigovalley Oct 2023 #2
Yes. It is. See my comments upstream. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #5
Not everyone masters cursive indigovalley Oct 2023 #14
Then they will not be able to work in some settings where it is needed. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #16
One could say... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #30
Kindly read my other posts where I make clear how irresponsible that attitude is (even deadly in hlthe2b Oct 2023 #42
With all due respect... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #43
You have no clue what a modern ER is like so I'm just going to ignore you, hlthe2b Oct 2023 #45
Right back at you Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #47
No. I am trying to remain patient with someone who has no clue what I'm talking about hlthe2b Oct 2023 #51
Your solution is silly... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #53
It IS a requirement and increasingly so in other contexts as this becomes an issue. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #54
It's not just development of motor skills. summer_in_TX Oct 2023 #63
I thought part of the reason is educators feel it better for kids to get good at one type of writing IbogaProject Oct 2023 #27
You seem to have been a secondary special ed teacher. summer_in_TX Oct 2023 #71
Keyboard skills may be more important. Chainfire Oct 2023 #3
Keyboarding does not do nearly as much for summer_in_TX Oct 2023 #64
I don't know how it's a waste of time when it's phylny Oct 2023 #6
And there's no other way to do that? Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #49
Cursive writing opens neural pathways Bettie Oct 2023 #7
As a former teacher in CA BigmanPigman Oct 2023 #9
Ugh DavidDvorkin Oct 2023 #12
Good! Owl Oct 2023 #15
How do you sign an important document without knowing cursive? n/t Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2023 #18
Exactly claudette Oct 2023 #29
Yep, good cursive writing is very nice to read n/t Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2023 #35
I agree, claudette Deuxcents Oct 2023 #61
Absolutely! Butterflylady Oct 2023 #37
My youngest child will be 30 in 2 weeks. He never learned to write in cursive, but he can read it liberal_mama Oct 2023 #19
As long as he can read it... hlthe2b Oct 2023 #22
Cursive leads to bad spelling. LastDemocratInSC Oct 2023 #20
It's a waste of time. NT Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #25
Gotta ask my grands; among the 4 are at least 2 creatives. elleng Oct 2023 #26
I'm so glad claudette Oct 2023 #28
I didn't even know they stopped teaching cursive in schools, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #31
I'm all for this. Arthur_Frain Oct 2023 #32
Yeah, I have mixed feelings about it too. I learned cursive. My mom called it 'longhand.' PatrickforB Oct 2023 #34
Yeah, here we go with this nonsense again. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2023 #36
and will they also teach them how to use a rotary dial phone? DBoon Oct 2023 #38
Excellent kimbutgar Oct 2023 #39
I don't think I would ever gotten through college without knowing cursive. GoodRaisin Oct 2023 #41
Me too tom_kelly Oct 2023 #59
Remember NowISeetheLight Oct 2023 #44
Yes, but because I emphasized its use. EllieBC Oct 2023 #50
At 77 years of age, I've been practicing "long hand" as we called it. rickford66 Oct 2023 #52
Writing in cursive is an art. Captain Stern Oct 2023 #55
Cursive writing over ther years has changed, just MerryBlooms Oct 2023 #58
I have several letters written by a paternal great-grandfather.... 3catwoman3 Oct 2023 #60
When I was a teacher's aide vapor2 Oct 2023 #65
Cursive?! "gasp" 🙄 electric_blue68 Oct 2023 #66
Pointless but whatever. Voltaire2 Oct 2023 #72
Cool! I'm all for it. Chakaconcarne Oct 2023 #73
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